no, but tracy was brought here to be the "closer"....he is supposed to "take over" and dominate in the final 5 minutes of a game like any true great player would.........the rockets knew Yao wasn't that guy to "close", that is why we traded for tmac...................
You're more reasonable than that. Actually go through the possessions instead of a blanket "he didn't show up, raaagh!" Read it, think about it, and respond. T-Mac could have taken every shot down the stretch, he could have hit 50% on them, and we wouldn't have been any better off. You're letting emotions cloud your judgement here.
Fine. So, when Yao scored on the three point play, we shouldn't have gone back to him. McGrady should have been selfish and taken all the shots. That's what "superstars" do. Got it.
and to be honest, yao was more the reason we lost against utah that t-mac. he struggled on both ends of the floor all series...but still tmac gets all the blame. but i think utah may just be a bad matchup for yao, thats role players needed to step up, and none of them did....
exactly, had we not gone back to yao this board would have thrown a tantrum....OMG yao just got a 3 pt play and we don't go back to him for the rest of the game ?!!!
Ok your example of not needing perfect role players is not true at all. A role player knows his role and does it well. Our role players don't know their roles and they don't perform well at all. Miami's championship team had more than Shaq and Wade in double digits! Our beloved Rockets only have 2 players scoring in double digit averages....Yao and Tracy????????????? Hmmmmmmm get the point???
And, again, if he'd just look at the possessions we had -- his argument makes no sense. Unless he wants to argue that we shouldn't have given the ball to Yao after he just scored. We're talking about Yao Ming -- arguably the best offensive center in the league, and an 85% free throw shooter. And yet, somehow it was T-Mac's responsibility as a "closer" to freeze him out. Ridiculous.
actually tmac should've been more selfish in that situation...he's too damn passive....your leader can't be passive.......
4:58-4:28 88-88 88-88 McGrady misses 3-pointer, Juwan rebounds, McGrady misses 17-footer TMac was fantastic before this by driving, getting in the lane and making things happen. When I saw him pull up for the three, I was yelling NNNNNOOOOOO at the top of my lungs. When he settled for the other J, I knew we were going to lose because TMac transformed himself into TChuck again.
So, as a leader of the team, he should have froze out Yao. He didn't do that, and therefore he's a loser. That about sums it up? Now, that's a legit criticism. But, again, it's one possession. We scored enough to win. The defense killed us. I believe in assigning credit/blame based on what actually happened in the game, possession by possession. Not based on presupposed roles of players and final outcomes.
Durvasa you know that I'm a pretty knowledgeable guy about basketball from the other board......I'm sorry but 2 assists and a meaningless layup in the last 5 minutes isn't going to cut it in a game 7....Barkley stated once that the rockets will never win anything, because both of our leaders are "passive"....this is true....the rockets organization knew that Yao was sort of passive and that is the reason they brought tmac here....unfortunately tmac is passive also.....one of the passives guy has got to go......with Yao's value as a big man and the fact that he doesn't quit on his team, I'd say tmac needs to go......... yes it was his responsibility......the fact that tmac stated "it's on me" proved that it was his responsibility to "take over" in that stretch of the game......flashback again to the mavs series game 2.....tmac decided to bring "it" that night, and in the final minutes he took it to another level......like I stated he was brought here to be the "greedy" one in those situations......
So I guess yao really showed up in the playoffs shooting 45% and 4to's a game. How about the last 2 games grabbing 6 rebs a game. What aboutBoozer constantly killing him? Look i'm just saying that this team needs a 3rd guy. I could go on and on about yao and Tracy. Say what you will but some of those Magic teams that made it to the playoffs were only there because of T-mac. If T-Mac misses the amaount of games Ming missed last season, what would our record have been? I dont want to hear about Mutombo and Howard stepping up. Are you serious. If we call yao the best big man in the game, and right now thats really questionable, why wouldn't Kaman and Maggette be enough? If Mutombo and Howard can help this team go 22-12 without him, what can those 2 do? I dont want people to think i'm a trade monger or anything like that, but blaming tracy for this team failure is crazy. people will say he plays harder when yao isn't in there. If tracy was as aggressive with yao in the game seeing he has limited stamina, then people would be crying talking about how he's dominating the game and yao cant get involved. What made the kobe/shaq duo work was that Shaq was dominate and made teammates better. He dominated the paint every possession while he was in the game regardless if he was doubled or not. When teams really doubled, he would hold the ball high and catch guys going to the basket with precise passes. You never saw a young shaq get moved off his spot and lose balls 5ft from the rim. When Shaq would bulldog teams and then go out for a breather, kobe would take over and do his thing. Thats why that worked. We were hoping we would have a version of that but we dont. So to make the best out of the situation, the Rox need that 3rd 15ppg guy. I like shane, but he's our only real chip to deal. Hell i'll even take a guy like maggette,childress just somebody that can get their own shot, get to the rim, and help this team without relying on tracy or yao.If they wer to get that wing guy then bonzi could come in to spell both spots and really make the team good. Also i like Hayes, but scola needs to start. Check and see what minny wants for simein or even a guy like PJ Brown would be better than chuck hayes. its hard playing with a doughnut.
LOL...yeah, but one thing Chuck wasn't was "soft".....he had his moments where he hit his big shots.....
Your perspective here is completely skewed. You're focusing on T-Mac's individual stats and the final outcome, without considering what actually happened in the game. We didn't lose because we didn't score enough, so it is nonsensical to put all the blame on McGrady's lacking of scoring for the loss. As I said before, McGrady could have taken all the shots and hit 50% of them, and with the way we were playing defense we would have lost anyways. I don't know what else I can say to get this across. Ok ... you know me well enough to know that I couldn't give a damn about Barkley's "analysis". His job is to entertain and be "edgy". First of all ... the "its on me" stuff means nothing. That was just a nice soundbite for ESPN to use. What wins or loses is determined by many different factors. It's never all on one person. Game 2 against the Mavs, T-Mac hit a hell of a shot. But if you really want to contrast between the two games -- take a close look at that game as well. Last 5 minutes, we're down 5. Up till the very last shot, McGrady was 1-3 from the field, but he had 3 assists. Moreover, in that span, you had JB and Mike hitting unassisted layups, and Yao hitting a shot, assisted from JB. Is that what you mean by McGrady dominating? It wasn't all T-Mac. Without other guys stepping up and making plays, we wouldn't have won that game either. Sure, last play of the game, McGrady hit the game winner. Hey, game 7 against the Jazz, if we had the ball at the end of the game with the score tied, you bet your ass T-Mac would be the one making the play. Really, the major difference is that collectively we were able to give ourselves an opportunity to steal that game in Dallas. But against the Jazz, due primarily to poor defense, we weren't able to do that. It had nothing to do with T-Mac not dominating the offense and taking every shot. That didn't happen against Dallas either.
Thats all i'm saying. I remember all those utah rebounds in that span just like against denver the other night when the rox could have put the game away, Yet Camby and najera were tipping the ball back and were allowed to get numerous possessions at the basket. I remember seeing players struggle to get to the rebound just like i see guys dart inside on ft attempts to get rebounds.
actually when you do lose it is because you didn't score enough as the other team, lol.....skewed???.....is my opinion of tmac doing very little in the final 5 minutes skewed????????.........if you guys are fine with T-b**** settling for a couple of jumpers and being passive down the stretch then we just have totally two different ideas of what a "closer" and "superstar" are....I want tmac taking it to the basket and looking to be aggressive....another example her b****ness choking ability was displayed in a game versus Utah in the regular season last year....on one of the last possesions Tmac passed the ball to Yao at the 3 point line when he should've taken the shot himself...Yao looked shocked as hell to get the ball.......bottom line is trade t-mac, we'll never win a playoff series as long as he's here....he is too passive to be a leader....if you can't see this then I don't know what else to tell you.... Just because you don't like a guy doesn't mean you shouldn't give his comments any thoughts...I don't agree with everything Chuck says (like picking N.J. to win the east every year, lol), but he does make a valid point here........do you not agree that we have 2 passive guys as our "leaders"? there's a difference in "taking" every shot and looking to be aggressive...in that game 2 Tmac was "aggressive" throughout the game.......I can't say the same last year in game 7....there is no stat that anyone can pull off any website that shows a guy having or not having "it".......it's an intangible....the guy has never been out of the 1st round....even after having leads...........he's a choke artist.
