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So Who Will Be Traded Yao or T-mac

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thewaterox, Dec 16, 2007.

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Who will be Traded: Yao or T-mac?

  1. Yao, he's to easy to front and take out of the game.

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  2. Mac, he dosen't have the heart to lead this team to a title.

    51.1%
  3. RA will be fired before we trade either of our stars.

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  4. It's to soon to give up on the current coaching staff and roster.

    24.8%
  1. krocket

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    Yao is a fixture here for some time to come. TMac makes too much money to just put points on the board. The points can be replaced and he needs to provide other qualities, but he doesn't, so he should go. We can never put together a winning team with end-of-first-round talent and we can't hire FA's 'cause TMac takes up too much cap space.

    It is a problem that they have been wrestling with since he came here and no other solution has been effective. It is time to cut your losses and move on. For some young talent and a potential lottery pick, it is time to move him along.
     
  2. Bosco

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    Get out of Toyota Centre.
    Rockets would never pass the first round in playoff, since he has no passion, no inspiration, no toughness that is requisite for a team leader. What we can only see is that Macgrady lose a lot of jumpshots in the 4th quarter. And also seemingly he does not care about the result of the match, like today, he could even give us a smile after losing the game. Oh my god, Incredible!!! Besides, once losing the game, he has never take the responsibility at all, and blamed teammates all the time! He is so soft that even Terry of Mavericks is thought of tougher than him.
    How should I say, if rockets want to get a new height, first of all, T Mac need to traded out for a better or reasonable player combination. You know, how much he earns from the Alexander.
     
  3. sun12

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    Well, T-mac makes 19 million a year, Yao makes 13.7 million a year.
    Whom do you trade away?

     
  4. JayZ750

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    T-Mac obviously does a lot more than just put points on the board. He is our best passer, play-maker, a solid rebounder, and can play good defense when he wants, too.

    But, I still chose trade him. There's nothing you can do about lack of passion. I have no idea what was wrong with him last night. It was pathetic to watch how lack-a-daisically he was playing.

    If I were to trade him, though, young talent and lotto picks doesn't seem enough, really.

    Some potential trades:

    Trade 1
    Trade: T-Mac, Alston, Battier, Snyder
    Receive: Kidd, Jefferson, Wright, Nets#1 pick this year, unprotected

    Trade 2
    Trade: McGrady
    Receive: Mobley, Cassell, Maggette

    Trade 3
    Trade: McGrady
    Receive: Bibby, Martin

    Trade 4
    Trade: McGrady, Alston, Hayes
    Receive: Jermaine O'Neal, Tinsley, Granger

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    I don't know, just some thoughts. I don't think any of the above are great, and don't know how equitable, for both teams involved.

    At the end of the day, the problems right now, in order, seem to be:

    1. Guard play
    2. Coaching
    3. PF play


    4. McGrady's heart/passion

    then everything else.
     
  5. ShadyMcGrady

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    From a standpoint of Rockets basketball, any of the trades you mentioned are heavily favored in our direction. I probably would do a couple of them even though I don't want T-Mac to go. Bibby AND Martin? Really? The Kings aren't going to give away their only solid PG and a rising star in Martin for T-Mac. You really think the Nets will give us their unprotected number 1 along with Kidd AND Jefferson? Jefferson is injury prone as well but that's 2/3 of their team and their future pick. No way.

    I doubt the Clippers would do it but they might want a star to pair with Brand.

    I don't think the Pacers would even consider that trade.

    IF you are going to trade McGrady, you don't trade him for a superstar.

    Why? What is our problem right now and what has it been and what will it always be?

    The talent outside Yao and McGrady. It sucks. We have none. If you trade T-Mac for another superstar, heart or not, they will get mobbed by other teams just like T-Mac and Yao do. You have to trade McGrady for 2 relatively good role players and a pick. Otherwise you are in the same boat.
     
  6. Yetti

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    T Mac gets us a decent player and draft possibilities. We will have to live with this and not expect too much. It would be done only on the previso that we are going into a three year rebuilding mode.Where we are going to develop younger players over the three years. It would mean that Yao Ming would have to be patient and wait for his opportunity to be a NBA Champion.
    This would be coupled with a new coach,one who knows how to coach young developing players and has insight into the modern way of playing.
    We would of course try to have Murphy and Ellie involved with our team!
    On the other hand......
    There is no quick fix unless Les decides to put his money where his mouth is and brings in a couple of high level players, at the end of this season, to fill the Shooting Guard and Point Guard positions...
    Pg New Player
    Sg New Player
    SF Tracy McGrady
    PF L Scola
    C Yao Ming

    Another solution is that Morey comes to the same conclusion as ourselves and manages to move our DEAD WOOD FOR A COUPLE OF DECENT players.
    Firstly he needs to acknowledge that he made mistakes and then works hard to make up for these mistakes. :p
     
  7. JayZ750

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    it's true...it's just hard to find a package that makes you say, okay, I'll do that trade...hence they seem to be in the Rockets favor.

    how about:

    Trade 5
    Trade: McGrady, Alston, pick
    Receive: Miller, Iguodala, Dalembert

    why Philly do it? Salary dump??
     
  8. steddinotayto

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    McGrady

    for

    Hinrich
    Thomas
    Sefolosha

    Bulls get to keep Deng, Nocioni, Gordon, Noah, Duhon, Wallace all the while adding McGrady.

    We get a point guard that's a pretty good shooter, a bruiser PF that has height and can complement Yao, and a Battier-light.
     
  9. smoothie_king

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    it does not make sense to trade away t-mac accept for maybe mike bibby and artest maybe or something...plus considering that he's like 3rd in the league in scoring it just wouldn't make sense.....I think we would tank a season or two
    or he would fake an injury before getting traded away.
     
  10. smoothie_king

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    plus we have made so many roster adjustments that from a management point of view, it would not make sense to pull the trigger or mac or yao considering that just one year ago we were the 4th seed in the west
     
  11. steddinotayto

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    why wouldn't it make sense?

    The problem with trading for Bibby and Artest is this: Bibby has been injury prone for the past couple of seasons and doesn't look like it'll change any time soon. Artest would be a better complement for Yao AND McGrady and not just Yao alone. When you have Artest as your 2nd best player, that's something you have to worry about. Example: Kevin Martin, the King's best shooter, plays like crap whenever Artest is in the lineup.
     
  12. Nitro1118

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    You forgot to mention he is a 2x scoring champion and one of the VERY few guys in the league that, even when unhealthy, will give you around 25/6/5 every single season....and he is only 28. You can down T-Mac for all the intnagibles, but bottom line is he gets heavy praise from virtually every coach he plays for and against, as well as the fans, whom vote him to the all-star game every year over the likes of Nash and AI.
     
  13. emjohn

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    This is ONLY assuming we blow up the team, but McGrady would certainly be the first to go. Yao simply means far too much to the team financially. McGrady is the more talented player, but between his lack of leadership, determination, and time bomb of a back.

    I still would prefer trying to improve our roster around them a little more, but we're getting close to having to call this tandem a dead end. Good, but not title contending great.

    Evan
     
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    T-Mac will be heading out the exit pretty soon i suspect. When the team is underachieving, the management should consider breaking up the core of the team. Yao and T-mac are 2 very good players, however, they can't deliver. The best they can do together is to lead the rockets to the playoffs.
     
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    those scoring champion days are over, also age doesn't really matter when you're injury prone......you won't get that much for him in return.....


    don't speak too soon, there's a good chance they won't make the playoffs this year.............
     
  16. solid

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    Yao will not be traded, but TMac might be. I have already seen enough of Adelman. Apparently, his effective coaching years are far behind him, I am not sure he is even awake. He appears to be clueless. He might not be, but, you have to admit, he appears to be. He looks like the most likely short-termer. But, one thing is for sure, if the Rockets don't import a "shooter" or two quickly, this baby is going down like the Titanic.
     
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    Mario Elie anyone! :D
     
  19. Princehuang

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    IF ROCKETS want to win!T-Mac should get out firstly!He is a sucky player!Twice NBA scholarship and 13p in 35s is not the reason doesn't tarde him. We need regular winning not so-called superstar!and in fact,T-Mac never be a superstar!
     
  20. ghettocheeze

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    Trade scenarios (for the imagination)

    T-Mac

    Los Angeles - Would be very to pull off a Kobe straight up for T-Mac but it depends if the Lakers go a losing skid and Bryant gets cold feet again and demands a trade then yes it is possible but I doubt it will ever materialize. I am not sold on Kobe as the best team player but then again he is best value you can get for T-Mac and vice versa.

    Phoenix - Shawn Marion plus Atlanta's 1st round pick. This could propel the Suns to the top of West with a combo of Nash, T-Mac and Amare. The Rockets get good pieces in return. Marion is pretty good all around player who can play a lot positions on the floor. Additionally we are compensated with 1st round pick which is going to be pretty much a lottery pick and maybe even top 5 once the season plays out meaning the Nets and Cavs will over take the Hawks for the playoff spots.

    Yao

    I don't see a single trade that help us unless it involves a Dwight Howard or Chris Bosh. You don't throw away a great center in a league where such a thing is scarce.
     

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