Lets go ahead and get it out in the clear, this is one of the worse offenses in the nba! Its not only bad because of injuries to key personell, the excuse everyone like to use, its bad from the core and philosophy. I've watched the Bulls, Heat,and Knicks play this yr, and they all pretty much sux too, but the Rockets have to be at least top 5. Its one thing to run Iso's against zones, its another to have one of the lowest assist totals in the league. I finally went to my first game in the labtop just to make sure what i was seeing on television wasn't slurred. Just to reaffirm what I really thought and knew, this coaching staff doesn't have a clue about offensive sets and ball flow. I know many people, who always blast what i say will chime in and disagree, but no matter how loyal a fan you are, you must agree that this offense sux. The points, not the offense will get better when Francis comes back and maybe if Glen can regain some kind of form it will be better also, but its not like we were setting the league on fire before they were hurt. Not only do our current best player throw 1 asst tonight, our pg threw 9 and we still only wound up with 14! If thats not insane. Also we have a guy who suppose to have a good low post game, yet he shoots 8 3pters while Mobley shoots 9! Meanwhile after going 2-8 the Suns decided its to easy so lets just start a layup drill. For a team that suppose to be young and exciting, how come we had 3 fast breaks maybe 4? This coaching staff needs to look at the job they're doing because its no way the Grizzlies, Warriors, Cleveland and some of these other teams are suppose to score more points than us, period! This team is very boring, they don't play defense, they let token pressure make us take forever to get the ball up the court and Rudy calls a play every possession down the floor. I normally make 10-12 visits to the labtop to show my support, but after watching Jake Voskul and Bo Outlaw outscore our center 19-7, i don't know. I'm more pissed I left and didn't get a chance to watch some real basketball on league pass tonight!
Not to beat a dead horse, but we are last in asst, opp fg%, opp to's, and next to last in blks. i wonder if Francis, Taylor, Williams, and all the other injured players can help those stats too.
Yes I have to agree with you. I said this from the beginning of the ****en year that the offensive sets houston puts out there is like barney and friends. Its a joke how they have the system. Im glad you see what I see.
I think Barney could design a better concept than what we have. Rudy said he hated the new rules, but he forgot he was going to have to play with them. How many zones have we run this yr. Why don't we ever pressure the ball a little full court man to man. Remember we could 1-2-2 zone press or 1-3-1 also. This is the only team who's defense has gotten worse with the zone in place.
Imagine if Eddie Griffin wasnt there, we would be losing by alot more. I dont hate Rudy, I just think hes a moron when it comes to X and Os. You always are going to have changes and I think Rudy getting fired will help this team. He doesnt have to leave the rockets, just dont ever coach the rockets.
This offense is as bad as the fratello led cavs. They used to dribble the spaulding out the ball, wait until about 7 secs, run a pick and roll and shoot a jumper or 3. They led the league in least amount of point given up, but just like the Rockets they were one of the worst in opp fg %. That team made the playoffs, but got crushed in the first rd. their leading scorer was terrel brandan at 16ppg.
Cle had much better defense than the Rockets do right now. We're an undersized, athletic team. Wouldn't it make sense to push the tempo?
LBG, I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE. Watching this team attack an amoeba zone with iso's and poorly set up PNR's is maddening. Yeah, let's give it to KT......then everyone stand around for 15 seconds while he figures out which shot he's going to take. KT is turning into a black hole. Early in the game we were moving the ball crisply and getting to the basket; then they went away from it. Mobley is good enough to get his points in any offensive sets. What we have is the worst I've seen from any team. Why the hell to we get the ball to TMo 85 feet from the basket 15 times a game when he is 0 for 2001? And where was Torres? He is great coming off screens and posting up, NTM he would match up well vs. Marion. And puulleease get EG the ball in the low post and just let him operate! We've been running the same ineffective stuff since day one, and it's a major reason the arena is not full. It's not fun to watch and it plays right into the "hands" of the more effective zoning and trapping we see every nite.
The way we iso, you could swear we had Jordan or Hakeem in their prime. What about a zone press? Why can't we press a little just like other teams do us? People say I was hatin' because i said this team was boring to watch even with Francis. Its possessions down the court when no one touches the ball other than the man bringing it up. Whats wrong with a good shot with 12 secs left on the clock? Most times that may be the best look you're going to get. I'm not talking about a fade away with two people in your face either. Why after the rebounds, the big men down run down the middle of the court and post up quickly for an early offense entry pass? The 3 sec clock doesn't start until the ball crosses mid court. Watch Utah and La and see how many quick fouls and or baskets Shaq and Mailman get. If they call 3-3 sec calls a game, then i bet you they miss the other 40. This offense and philosophy sux like the Bucs and Ravens in football, but at least they do play defense!
Other than Griffin and Willis, we don't really have big men who can run. Also, we need as much help on the boards as possible. I don't expect our big men to run down court at the risk of giving up an offensive board. My main beef offensively, is why we walk the ball up the court, rather than run it up court and setup our offense with about 20 seconds or so left on the shot clock. Also, I would like to see more screens away from the ball. It wouldn't hurt to actually make the 5 defensive players work. Do that, and it makes it easier to defend them, because they will be a little more tired.
I taped a couple of games while i went to the Rockets games last night and one that really caught me was dall/sa. I watched this game telling myself, that would have been a great game to be at. I know you can't compare Houston with either club, but just watching the shots they got against SA one of the better defensive teams in the league amazed me. They did the same thing the bucks did earlier and what other teams this side of LA have to do against them and that is push,push,push the ball up the court. I watched the Rockets young players, Griffin and Morris run up the court full blast only to see Norris or Mobley jog up one side and not even look to advance the ball for a score. Many times you could see the disgust in thier face as the hustled their ass off for the rebound, run down the only to see Cat or Norris start the iso play early. If anyone else taped, watch the action off the rebound, its pretty pathetic seeing Morris and Griffin ran and didn't get rewarded.
LBG, I was flipping between the two games last night (as all good sports nuts do!!). And you are right. The Mavs-SA game may be the best NBA game I have seen in forever. And Dallas might be the smartest team in the league...they push the ball, make the extra pass, and Nelson is not afraid to put very unconventional lineups on the floor to their advantage. I can't believe it's our players that are responsible for our tempo; we've seen it from game one, no matter who is in the lineup. Let's take advantage of our young players athleticism, not rein them in. If TMo is a scorer rather than a shooter, why the hell get him the ball in the corner every freakin' time? And I couldn't believe EG's speed end to end when he puts it in gear. I watch a lot of games and few team play as unintelligently as the Rockets. Don't know if it's the players or the coaches, but either way it's pretty depressing. Someone please tell me there's hope.
Well, I think its safe to say that when Francis comes back our scoring will go up, but before he went out we were only scoring 90ppg anyway. Its more of looking at how the offense is run. I see all these other pg's pushing the tempo all the time. I don't see Nash getting the ball and looking to the sidelines every play, thats the pg's responsibility. I saw Griffin and guys run full blast, and not even get a look down the court. Its just very disgusting seeing these other pg's being a general on the court and Francis a toy soldier. I think he should become a one man fast break like Kidd. He should just push,push,push and make the other guys run and Rudy sit his ass down. There is help on the way, but if we don't look for easy buckets and early offense, it will always be hard to score points period. Its just not the having Francis back, its just the pathetic to watch this team play. I'm still amazed about the Taylor threads. Taylor was consistent with his 13pts 5 rebounds. He avg 16pts in Oct with 1 game and he avg 16pts in April in 1 game. After that, he got his avg the entire yr! The guy earlier say he would get the team off with 10 quick points, so he he scored 3 pts the rest of the game? If he was scoring so quick and effortless why wouldn't we go to him more? That sounds like poor coaching to me if its true. I also agree with the assessment that Griffin and Taylor will complement each other. That means Griffin will rebound, blk shots, score, and do just about everything himself while Taylor gets his 5 rebs and sorry ass 13pts. Isn't it true that Thomas and Griffin would probably compliment each other better seeing both show a WILLINGNESS to rebound and defend. Most people on this board always want to discredit someone's numbers whom they don't agree with. First it was Marc Jackson putting up numbers on a sorry team. Then it was this guys numbers or this guys numbers, but numbers are numbers no matter how you crunch them and spit them out. Elton Brand is doing the same thing at LA as he did with the Bulls, the same can be said for Shareef. If you can play and put up numbers, you can do it no matter how good or sorry the team is. Mo Taylor 13pts 5 rebs is no different than Thomas 13pts 7 rebs. Just think that thomas is playing iso against a zone, maybe if they had no zones like last yr, he probably would score more. The fact remains this offense sux, and unless Griffin is the player we think he is and in his 3 starts has shown to be, its real hard to shoot 3's and long jumpers while the other teams are getting layups. That was eveident last night and judging by our fg% and our opponets fg% its no wonder we have the Worse record in the West.
What a bunch of self agradizing talk. Maybe the offense is bad because the guy who it is designed around is out with an injury? Maybe with 2/3rd of the team new to playing with each other they have to get comfortable first. I think Rudy knows what he is doing, and I get frustrated too, but I think it is the defense more then the offense. DaDakota
