Battier for Rudy Gay/Stromile is not paying dividends

Rudy Gay was great in this game but so was the other guy I wanted and we lost out on.

Brandon Roy posted 26 points, 9 rebounds, and 7 assists.

The two that got away from Rockets in the same draft because of Gundy (the gift that keeps on giving).

 

VERY GOOD POINT!

 

zboy, u should also mention their age difference in ur sig.

Battier- 9-9-1978
Gay - 8-17-1986

 

not only is he scoring, he's upped his 3 point percentage to 40%. if he puts more effort to rounding out his game, he could be a shawn marion type player. I know that's a bit of a stretch because marion will get you rebounds and assists, but I think he has that type of potential.

 

man, some of you jump off the Battier bandwagon so fast....give it a few more months before you leave the guy for dead...
i still believe he will bounce back...

 

would you trust gay to defend the opposite best defenders? For the rox team, battier fits in much better, the primary defender, a decent 3-pt shooter, and a willingness to play in the shadows of tmac and yao.

Numbers and stats is not everything, kobe have better stats than tmac, would kobe fit in better than tmac? artest is posting 22.3ppg/7.3rpg/3.6apg/2.5spg at .485% shooting and .471% at 3p. Compare that to tmacs 25.9/5.4/5.4/1.1 with .451%/.342%.

Would you rather have artest than to tmac? Or maybe you prefer butler (23/6.7/3.6/2.0 while shooting .527/.535)

And the number game goes on, boozer is having a better number game compare to yao, while kaman is posting 18.7ppg/14.1rpg/2.7bpg to yao's 22.1/10.1/2.1

Numbers helps, but it is not everything. Yes i do agree that Gay will be a much better player to Battier(if he is not already), but does what he brings fits to the needs of the rox team?

Which will be a resounding no, as for now, rox need consistency and defense, which is something that battier is known for and gay is working on.

Too bad rox cant work on a trade for artest before we sign RA.

 

Guys you are not think straight.

we are in a win now mode, and not waiting for player to develop. Therefore Gay is not the answer. not to mention, his biggest problem is inconsistent.

do you think JVG would of given him PT if we drafted him? he will be riding on our bench probably a 5 mins PT guy and he will never develop.

Then we would be kicking ourself for not having trade gay for battier. not to mention no playoff last season, when Yao and tmac were injured and missed so many games.

The only complaint i have on that trade is we didn't get a draft pick back from them. we should of gotten a future 1st round back at least.

the gizzles probably wish that they didn't trade battier away as he could defiantely help them now.

 

Then lets trade him back to the Grizzlies for Gay

 

I really hope we don't see these type of post for the next ten years, when it's
not us who need reminding.

Maybe you'd be better off printing out the stat sheet and mailing it to the Rockets home office, every time Gay has a monster game. The only person who needs to get the message is the owner. I was about to add that at least the Rockets won't be foolish enough to make the same mistake twice, and then I realized just how often potential superstars fall out of the top five, while at the same time having us waiting below to scoop them up. It could be decades before similar conditions occur. As I said before, the presumed pressure JVG put on the organization to not keep the pick will be his most damning legacy. I'm not an NBA owner and never will be, but I'd only hire a head coach who isn't afraid of developing rookies, if I were.

BTW, how many here would swap T-Mac for Gay straight up - if it were possible?

 

battier's defense

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14 pages of this???!!! 14 pages!!??

Really. Why do you guys keep harping on this. They tried something and it didn't work. It's too late to switch back now. I mean, we don't have the receipt anymore right? right? Does anyone have the damn receipt???

 

Well, probably because the NBA is so completely built around superstars. That has drawbacks, of course, in that it's created a culture of prima donnas, but that's another discussion for another day. The truth is that with only one exception (and I posted about this a few years back), over the last 25 years - every team that's won a championship had a top 5 or top 10 superstar on their team. If Gay becomes that type of player, not only did we give him up, but - even worse - we let another rival acquire him. If people hate this trade now, just wait until Gay leads his team against us in the playoffs - and wins.

Thanks JVG!

 

cosign this intelligent post!

however i would love to see a rocket team with boozer and butler instead of yao and mac...


NOT!!!

but i might consider dwight and kobe instead of yao and tmac...

 

Two words: (1) Brent (2) Price; or if you'd rather: (1) Mo (2) Taylor; or (1) adonal (2) Foyle

The title of this thread is purely illusory. There is no way to assess how Rudy Gay would be playing is he were in a Rockets uniform. Assessing his talent and potential do not seem to be issues here, but rather, how he would have performed in a Rockets jersey, given the parameters of T-Mac, Yao, Rafer, Dek, etc.

At the time it was admitted that the move was a role of the dice. Battier was already a proven commodity in the NBA, and while his consistent offensive numbers have declined, he continues to prove his worth on the defensive side of the game.

Live in the now all of you Battier-haters/ Gay-lovers (note the pun)

 

and in response to the previous guy... yeah sure, I wish the Rockets had a lineup of Baron Davis, T-Mac, Lebron, Dwight Howard, and Amare Stodamiar, with Pete Maravich (in his prime) and Shaquille Oneal coming off the bench.

 

Was not a possibility.

 

this was morey and dawson's decision...morey thinks battier is an undervalued player and the rockets were NOT going to draft gay...it was seflosha or brewer...so gay was NEVER coming here

 

Battier is only undervalued if you don't give up a ton to get him. In context of what we gave up I would say we over valued him. Granted you can't project how any pick is going to do, but I doubt many teams would give us the 7th pick in the draft for Battier if we made the offer now.

The fact that the Rockets would have made a different mistake by drafting one of those guys over Gay is a pretty poor excuse to dismiss the debate. The bottom line is they COULD have drafted Gay without any trades or hypotheticals needed to accomplish it. Generally if Jerry West wants a player in the draft then you better double and triple check the reasons you don't want that player.

Now that certainly doesn't mean that Battier isn't a valued member of our team, but any team where Battier is your 3rd best player is going to have some problems. If Battier was going to be the 5th or 6th best player on the team at the time of the trade then it would have made alot more sense. Right now we have the biggest drop off in talent from our top 2 players to our 3rd best player out of any western conference contender and Scola is the only rotation player that has much potential to drastically improve.

 

so you're saying we don't need a reliable 3rd scorer who happens to be 6'9", and is capable of rebounding, blocking shots, shooting w/ decent range, and presenting a match up nightmare all over the court??????

there's not a team in the league that doesn't need this kind of player.

wow, you must think we're set up for a championship run.

the flaw everyone pointed out on draft night was that rudy gay didn't know how to take over a game and he deferred to teammates too much, so don't try to sell me on how he wouldn't fit in, and wouldn't be okay being a solid role player either.

fact of the matter is that the rockets severely dropped the ball with this trade.

 

Fact of the matter is, sir, that you are a tool.