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I am sorry but how the hell did Stockton make the All-Star team over Francis?!

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I was reading the All-Star rosters and I couldn't help but notice John Stockton was chosen as a reserve. Don't get me wrong Stockton is a good point guard and all,but by no means is he better than Steve Francis at this point in time.

Lets take a little look at their stat comparisons:

John Stockton
PPG: 12.0 RPG: 2.6 APG: 8.7
FG%: .507 3FG%: .333 FT%: .854
SPG: 1.69 BPG: .16

Steve Francis
PPG: 18.4 RPG: 5.2 APG: 7.1
FG%: .442 3FG%: .305 FT%: .773
SPG: 1.44 BPG: .32

Steve Francis looks way better on paper AND on the court. The only thing I could think of that John Stockton has the edge over Francis is team record. But common the guy has Karl Malone, arguably the best PF in the game of all time.

I am sure Steve will get more than his share of All-Star games. But I think it would have been a tremendous honor to make the All-Star team.

#1 BoyhoodDream, Feb 2, 2000

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BoyhoodDream,
Here's your answer: Stockton has better shooting (FG & FT %), better passing, better defense, and less turn-over prone. Plus he's a coach's delight because he executes, has veteran mentality, and he's a NBA all 50 player. Also, 6 points and three rebounds is less significant of a loss (diff. btwn. Francis and Stockton) when you're dealing with a large distribution of talent like an all-star team because no one man needs to carry the team to a win.
I wish Francis was there, too, but the reasons for Stockton's selection are patently obvious.

Pass 1st, shoot 2nd.

#2 Pass 1st shoot 2nd, Feb 2, 2000
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I agree with your analysis, Pass 1st, shoot 2nd. Not to mention this is probably Stockton's last All-star game. The NBA may just wanna show some respect to this old star. He deserves it.

One thing I'm wondering though. The All-star game has always been selecting "spectacular" players. Then I think Stevie has more "spectacularity" than Stockton.

BoyhoodDream, forget it this year. Stevie will have much more All-star years to come. He's already busy enough this All-star break. Please give him a break!!!

#3 Rocketability, Feb 2, 2000
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Same way Charles Barkley and David "the
Roses are out Timmy not the daiseys"
Robinson won their MVP's over Hakeem in
the mid 90's. Sentiment vote.

#4 Dreamshake, Feb 2, 2000
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Right, Dreamshake.

I disagree with the notion that Stockton's skills are more valuable in an all-star context. He might be a "coach's delight", but the coach's role at All-Star weekend is to wear a nice suit and answer Ahmad Rashad's questions at halftime.

Ask Karl Malone how effective the pick-and-roll is in an All-Star game.

I don't mind the sentiment vote for Stockton, though. The same sentiment will work in Francis' favor 12 years from now when he winds down his Hall of Fame career.

#5 BrianKagy, Feb 2, 2000
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I was shocked and chagrined as well when I saw that.

Aren't the reserves chosen by the coach (Phil Jackson)?

I am going out on a limb, but this is the absolute last all star game EVER for the pasty gangster.

#6 Rocket Freak, Feb 2, 2000
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Steve Francis looks way better on paper AND on the court.

What paper would that be? I assume you're looking at PPG, but look at Stockton's shooting percentages - if he shot as many attempts as Francis, he'd do better in PPG.

In terms of point-guard play, Stockton has outplayed Francis this year. He also plays in an offense designed to get high percentage shots, and plays with better shooters which helps with the assists.

We're talking about a guy with more assists AND steals than ANYONE EVER.

That said, I hate him.

#7 Tb-Cain, Feb 2, 2000

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clearly... Steve is having the better individual season. but it's also obvious they chose Stockton out of respect. Malone made it, so they didn't think it would be right not to include Stockton also. i think Terrell Brandon should've made it before Stockton also...

btw, did anyone notice Quitten didn't make it?

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The reserves are chosen by the vote of all the coaches of the conference. I have to agree with putting Stockton there over Francis. Francis is just a rookie and Stockton is still great. As for spectacularity, that applies to the voting for the starters. The coaches seem to go for guys who will actually help win.

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The best aspect of this years All-Star game:
Michael Finley made the Team while Quitten did not!!!!!!! thats what Iam talking about

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You guys are all absolutely right in regards to the decision to put Stockton on the All-Star team. I understand the decision. But I have to disagree with you guys that Stockton is better than Francis. Stockton is the smartest point guard in the league. The thing about his defense that I disagree with, is how bad he gets burned by younger and more athletic players.

I don't know about you guys, but if you were a coach and you were picking between Francis and Stockton for just ONE game (forget about the future games) I bet a majority of you would pick Francis as your PG.

Also, Dreamteam, I totally forgot about Pippen. That really cracks me up. And here the blazers are trying to get another SF type player in Kukoc. Guess Schrempf will see even less playing time.

#11 BoyhoodDream, Feb 2, 2000
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If Stockton wasnt on the team, Karla wouldnt have anyone to talk to.

Besides, the NBA does want to have spectacular plays in the All Star game, but you do need to have some pasty anus mouth to perform those feats on(like the Generals to the Globetrotters).

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Truth is, Francis didn't get screwed. The player that got screwed is Terrel Brandon. He clearly has had a better season than Stockton. He has more points, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks, better FT%, better 3%. Stockton is only better in non-3 FG% and turnovers. And unlike Francis or even Jason Williams, you can't say Brandon hasn't paid his dues. He totally got Screwed with a capital "S", totally Shameful.

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Jenna, If Karl Malone truely wanted off this all star weekend, all he has to do is sit it out. He's not obligated to play.

And if Stockton can make the all star game for career honors, lets make room for someone with a much better career in Hakeem Olajuwon.

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Dreamshake....

Actually, there are only two ways to get out of playing in the All-Star Game: get hurt or die. Since neither one of these is an actual option, he's playing.

There really is no way to refuse to participate - heck, the league fines the you for missing like 3 seconds of a scheduled media session, practice, etc.

There's no way to just kick back in your living room with your kids running around and flipping the channels on your remote during the game if you've been selected. Participation is not requested, it is required. He's tried to get out of it for the past 4 years now, and nothing has worked. All he gets is a jackhammer outside his window in NY at 3 AM.

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Next round of Nelson vs. Malone: February 24 @ Reunion Arena

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hehehe...she said jackhammer...

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Jenna, it appears injury is a possibility. From ESPN:

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Utah Jazz forward Karl Malone will miss the All-Star Game next weekend because of back and finger injuries, ESPN's David Aldridge reported Wednesday.

Malone strained his back during training camp and has been playing with the injury all season, but he aggravated the injury Tuesday night in Utah's 104-96 loss to the Seattle SuperSonics after falling over referee Phil Robinson while chasing a loose ball.
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Conveniently timed, I might add. Although, I don't blame him... No one should have to play in the All-Star Game. If injury is the only way out, "injury" it is.

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Jenna,

What does Karl got against the All Star Game?

Rocket River

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With Rogaine out, will they replace him with someone else?

You think Quitten will make the team after all?

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I saw a report about this on ESPNEWS a few minutes ago, made a phone call, and it has been confirmed - NO ALL STAR WEEKEND!!!!! WOO HOO! He's going to see a doctor in California and then go back to the ranch in Arkansas for a little recooperation. Looks like we finally got out of one of these dang things....

RocketRiver.... The All-Star Game is nothing but a media circus. The starters are chosen as part of a popularity contest; the kiddies don't have much respect for the veterans during the game (see Kobe in 1998)l and it's just a royal pain the butt. I've been to about 10 of them - only liked it once, 1997 for the NBA @ 50 celebration.

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#20 Jenna, Feb 2, 2000

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