you all can complain and whine, and as i saw in one post fire adelman...i think we have the talent to win... i just think we are using the wrong combination which is even more frustrating..... steve francis, pg t-mac - sg battier - f scola- f ming - c this lineup would not have a losing record...!
Worst startup thread in Clutch history.................nah, not really. But should still be locked up, since the thread starter apparently did not think this through and forgot about who is going to provide bench production.
This is no worse than most other starting lineup threads. Honestly, I am kinda finding myself wanting Kirk to take some of Shane minutes. I mean, sometimes you just want a guy in there that can get steals, blocks, and rebounds, instead of always resorting to trying to take charges.
i wouldnt mind that at all... i know there are a lot of francis haters on this board, i just see him with t-mac and yao... with the potential to be very explosive! i think alston running the second team would be good, because he can run the team.. my concern about him is that he is not a scoring threat at all... hell if i was defending the rockets if hayes and alston were together... i would make it 5 on 3 basketball and just let alston and hayes take as many jump shots as they want... hell i would even give rafer a lane for some floaters! the biggest irritation is that you have an explosive guard -- that is a 3time all star,,, plays with a lot of heart (may not make the best choices all the tiime) and could relieve a lot of pressure off t-mac and yao... he can penetrate, and he is a decent shooter... he could get t-mac and yao some easy shots -- and as far as i wasnt thinking about the bench... all i have done is insert francis in the line up.... i didnt do anything to the bench... if anything i might have strengthened it with alston--- who is good... but not starter material... if he could shoot i wouldnt have a problem at all.. but he cant... ---
Seen a bunch of these threads before: My rotations would be: Starting: Yao, T-Mac, Scola, Steve, and Battier Bench: Hayes, AB, Kirk, MJ
Starters steve francis, pg t-mac - sg battier - f scola- f ming - c U get scoring and defense with Scola and Battier bring hustle/intangables. U get a All Star running the point, who can penetrate, score and play defense. Bench Wells MJ Hayes Luther Wells, MJ & Hayes bring Hustle from the bench ..
Don't forget to put Alston on the bench. As much as we all hate him, he makes a serviceable PG off the bench. Remember, he's still good at bringing the ball up the court and passing to the open man. As for your starting 5, I completely agree with the assessment. Scola is the type of player that needs to get his minutes and touches. And as for Francis, he can bring heart and intensity to this team if nothing else. Give him a few games to shake off the rust and let him run a little. I'm sure he'll have more positive impact in the long run than say Alston and James.
Pg Aaron Brooks Sg Steve Francis SF Tracy Mcgrady Pf Luis Scola C Yao Ming Pg Mike James Sg Luther Head SF Shane Battier Pf Chuck Hayes C Deke
I see that most of you would still prefer Battier to start over Bonzi, but I disagree with this even though Bonzi has played like crap over the last few games. Bonzi's upside potential in the starting lineup is much better than Shane's to me. And Shane hasn't exactly been the spark we need in the starting lineup for two years now. Most here agree that the rest of the starters should be: Steve, Tmac, Luis and Yao...but that then makes Shane the weak link in this group, even though it wouldn't be terrible. But I still say that on any given day, Bonzi will be a better offensive player than Shane because of his post up ability and offensive rebounding ability. Starting him with Tmac only makes him better because teams usually have to put their best defender on Tmac, meaning a lessor defender will be on Bonzi allowing him to roam freely and attack the offensive glass. I still think we need to learn to substitute "player for player" in the rotations until this team has enough of the "new offensive system" understood. That means substituting players by position and not having players come in to play different or multiple positions, even though certain matchups may warrant it. This is the subtitution pattern that I would use: Starter Substitute Steve Aaron Tmac Mike Bonzi Shane Luis Chuck Yao Dikembe I would only change this due to foul trouble or injury. If the players are playing bad, then the rest of the substitutes would substitute in the following positions: PG: Wafer if everyone else is hurt or fouled out SG: Luther Head if Mike James is not shooting well or having too many TOs SF: Kirk Snyder if we want to go small and run the ball PF: Carl Landry if the other two are in foul trouble or hurt C : We need another backup center, not Steve Novak in the D-league, it would be nice to have Chris Webber come in to play center in a small lineup, or bring back Jackie Butler to give us some hustle plays if we can't find anyone else. Having these players try to learn where to be on the court for multiple positions on offense and defense is too much to ask if we want them to contend this year. Down the road, being so stingy about who plays what position may not be necessary, but if we want them to gel and be ready for the playoffs and a run at the championship this year, they need to be limited to only one position each to maximize their learning curve of this new offense, and this new none defense. If Adelman played this lineup and rotation, the starters could all average between 32 and 35 minutes each, thus leaving the first level backups with a minimum of 13 minutes up to 16 minutes per game each. That would give us a minimum of 10 players all averaging a minimum of 13 minutes per game each. This would give Tracy and Yao the rest that they need. The only question would be who to substitue and when, while maintaining the momentum and minute distribution. Only fouls, injury and extremely consistent poor play should change this lineup and rotation because it is based off of talent level and not "preseason" accomplishments. With this lineup, even some of the third tier players would get in some games because we would be blowing out more teams for our starters to rest more in the fourth quarters. At that point, the extra minutes should go to the players not playing, not the second string, so that those players are ready to play more in case of injury down the line. Tell the rockets I will coach this team for one week with no pay and if we don't impress everyone, especially the fans, I will pay them for that week's salary to Rick Im Sick Adelman!
there is no way sf3+tmac+yao lose 6 in a row. we don't even lose 6 in a row with sf3+yao+scrubs. much less sf3+tmac+yao+battier+whatever.
C) Yao PF) Hayes SF) Battier SG) McGrady PG) Francis Francis is a huge upgrade to Alston. Despite his shortcomings, I'd still give the starting 4 spot to Hayes. We need hustle guys like he and Shane at the forward spots to clean up McGrady's and Stevie's misses, and adding another scorer like Scola to the starting lineup might be too much of a good thing. Bench C) Mutombo PF) Scola SF) Wells SG) James/Head PG) Brooks/Alston I don't care how old Deke is, the man can still play in limited minutes. Scola/Bonzi/James give us instant offense off the bench. Would really like to see Brooks get a chance to log some minutes as his speed could really present matchup problems that negate his defensive liabilities from lack of size. Come to think of it, the entire bench outside of Deke is small, but more often than not you are going to have Yao or Tracy playing with them. Would be nice if we could package Alston and Head for a halfway decent big guard.
i agree with scola starting instead of hayes, i liked the way hayes played last season but this season he seems sorry
