im tired of everyone cryin bout the rockets just cuz of one losin streaks. if u were real fans u know theyd bounce back. the mobley francis combo is the best thing to happen to this team since they had the dream drexler and barkley playin together. when edddie blooms and they put oscar in the startin rotation instead of rice theylll start winnin again. the only problem is the mooch is a bench player, not a starter. he brings energy off the bench 2 change momentum. when their startin rotation is francis, mobes, oscar, kenny and kelvin theyll get a 20 game w streak. keep mobley. at least he tries 2 pump motivation in2 the team by messin w/ the refs.
Mobley is a young, great player. The only reason he is playin bad is because he believes he needs to take this team over. he thinks HE alone needs to win the game. once francise gets bak and willis inspirering him, he'll be ok
At under $5MM/year for the next couple of years, Cat is a relative bargain. He's not an elite SG, but that's a really impressive and expensive group, (not listed in order): Michael Finley Kobe Bryant Ray Allen Vince Carter Eddie Jones Tracy McGrady Allen Iverson Jerry Stackhouse IMHO he's a bit behind those eight, and in the class with the next group of "quality" SGs: Steve Smith - once close to elite, now just good Reggie Miller - once elite now just very good Allan Houston Penny Hardaway - Richard Hamilton - making great strides lately Derek Anderson Doug Christie - versatile and plays tough D Cat is more athletic and younger than most in the second group, and at his salary is a definite keeper. Trade the Mooch. He's no bargain with what he brings to the table.
I'm from CA so I am not "hometowning". Mobley signed with the Rockets at well under market value. He plays good defense, stopping penetration by his man. He is a top notch offensive player. I also said anyone else on the team could be traded. I just happen to believe in loyalty. Cat signed with the Rockets for discount prices when he could have gone elsewhere with a better shot at a title. To trade him, especially to a bad team, would be stabbing him in the back. Besides, are you disputing that Mobes is a top ten shooting guard, 'cause I would certainly better have him than the 100 million dollar man Allen Houston, and if he switched places with Ivy or Brickhouse I think he could do the same thing. No, I wouldn't. But it really isn't a tough decision to make because I don't think the Spurs would trade Duncan for a shooting guard and the Lakers seem to like Bryant for some reason.
Why wouldn't you? I would trade Steve or Cat in a heartbeat for Duncan. He's led his team to a chamionship, and he was the only all star on that team. I wonder why the lakers like Bryant? Have you checked out his numbers? He's actually pretty good. I don't think you would find one gm who would take Cuttino over Kobe.
I don't see your points! 1.) the Bulls was worse than us last year too, so you won't trade Mobley for Brand if it's possible? 2.) we could lose Francis to FA too, so you trade Francis now? 3.) McDyess not a proven winner, so who on your team has proven to be a winner? Mobley? Taylor? or Cato? 4.) If the trade goes down our lineup would be: LaFrentz, Willis, Collier McDyess, Griffin, Morris Williams, Rice, Toronto's picks Torres, our lottory pick Francis, Norris, Brown that's a much better team and no CBA caliber players needed. hey Mr. Mobley is that you? I'm also tired of those people who likes to use Francis defend Mobley. Please! leave Steve alone! no one saying that we should trade our backcourt. we trade Mobley and Steve/Torres is still a very good backcourt and a Dice/Francis combo is BETTER. and stop dreaming Torres could be our answer for the 3. Rudy's killing Torres by playing him at 3 (like SA). Torres was a good D player when he play the shooting and now is struggling guarding bigger shooters like Rose, J. Jackson. that's unfair! like Anderson, Torres plays good D and has size at the 2. he might not an equal offensive force to Mobley but if you count the D and size in they're equal talanted. why don't you start Mobley at the 3 , Torres at the 2 and then compare them, the Cat will get destroyed! Agree! Mobley is talanted and a nice guy. but for some reason he just totally a different person on the basketball court! he become selfish and stupid when playing basketball. I don't think Francis and Willis can fix it.
Top 5 SG, eh? Is Mobley even as close to being as good as: Ray Allen; Kobe Bryant; Vince Carter; Tracy McGrady; or Allen Iverson? Yeah, I'd say Mobley's up there with McGrady and AI. Oh wait, the crack's wearing off. OK, then how about; Jerry Stackhouse; Michael Finley; Penny Hardaway; Bonzi Wells; or Jason Terry; You COULD make the argument that Mobley's better than Wells or Terry, but you could also make that same argument for Eddie Jones; Reggie Miller; Michael Dickerson; Richard Hamilton; or Allan Houston What does this mean? That Mobley is the #9 or 10 SG at best, #15 at worst. He's not even close to top 5.
I think Mobes could do the same thing on Philly that AI does. All he does is score, and as Sir Charles said, anybody can score if they shoot enough. Mobes is also a better rebounder and defender. I would also say that he is definately better than Terry, Wells, Hardaway(now), and everybody in the 11-15 spot on the list. Given more experience, or maybe just playing with guys like Shaq or all of the scorers on Dallas, he could probably do things very similar to your top 5. You can't base a players worth on their lucky situations. I have never seen any of those guys lock down Mobley one-on-one, but the Cat has done it to some of them. He gets no respect in the media, and even from his teams "fans".
I always thought Cat was a rules change poster child: speedy/mid-range jumper/lay-up/ shaky defense guy
I could see him doing what AI is doing, right now is his chance. He's the #1 scoring option on this team. Mobes is a decent defender, but I wouldn't put him in the Eddie Jones/T-Mac class. He is a good rebounder, but I think Kobe may be a little better there. I also give Kobe the edge defensively. Cuttino can score, but I think Reggie Miller and Ray Allen are more explosive scorers. I think Cuttino is just outside of the top 5 SGs..... Kobe Ray Allen T-Mac Finley Vince Carter Those were my top 5. I'll take any of them over Cuttino right now.
Cuttino's been on an almost season long shooting slump. I don't care if he's injured - if he's hurt badly enough to hurt his game he shouldn't be playing. He's nowhere near the top five. Before his injuries he still wasn't playing well. He is putting in a Walt-like season.
I don't think we have seen the real Mobley yet this year (in evaluating him I think you should consider the last 1/2 of last year when he was health). Here is how I break out his ranking relative to other SGs. These 4 are the best SGs: -1tie Kobe -1tie AI -1tie McGrady -4 Carter The next is not as good as the above, but also unequivally better than Mobley: -5 Allen NOTE: Just my hunch, but I don't think Mobley, fully healthy or not, will ever be as good as these guys. ************************************* I do NOT think it is so clear cut with the following next best SGs: -Finley (IMO he is nowhere near the above 5 and should be bunched with these guys) -Wells -Spree -Jones -Stack -Szczerbiak I agree you can make a pretty strong case that Finley and Stack are better (leaving Mobley at best 8th best shooting guard), but my personal opinion is I would think hard about trading him for any of the those guys when you consider his contract, role with our team, chemistry, youth (relative to Finley, Jones or Spree), etc. Mobley is definetely a better all around player and more difficult player for opponents to deal with (I think this woul dbe obvious if he were fully healthy) than: Rip Terry Hardaway Christie MD Reggie DA Smith ETC
OK, he hasn't been shooting as bad as I thought, but he's nowhere near as productive as Iverson for the number of shots, Cat isn't going to the free throw line and his shooting percentage is a bit low. Mobley 9-28 versus Portland - at least he didn't pull an Antoine 7-18 versus Miami 5-16 versus Indiana 11-26 versus Cleveland 7-15 versus Detroit 8-19 versus Minnesota 10-22 versus Washington 2-7 versus Chicago 4-12 versus New York injured 4-12 versus Los Angeles Clippers 8-17 versus Seattle 4-11 versus portland - last win For comparison Oscar Torres 5-17 versus Portland 4-12 versus Miami 7-18 versus Indiana 10-11 versus Cleveland 4-6 versus Detroit 1-1 versus Minnesota 2-8 versus Washington 2-10 versus Chicago 4-5 versus New York 9-16 versus San Antonio 3-6 versus Memphis 6-15 versus Sacramento 2-4 versus Seattle 3-5 versus Portland
Mobley is just STUPID, the guy has absolutely NO idea how to win a game of TEAM basketball. Every single game for about 7 minutes the Rockets start playing one on one, and at this time they get out of touch with the other team. Mobley is the primary reason for these CRAPPY spurts, he is a TERRIBLE ball hog, and forces the action far too often. It is VERY painful to watch him play, his brand of basketball is not conducive to winning. DaDakota
If I were Rudy Tomjanovich or Carroll Dawson, I would trade a healthy Cuttino Mobley for an injured Antonio McDyess. Inasmuch as Mobley can score 40 points, he just isn't the solution to this losing streak. Granted Francis is injured, fine, we all know that. But the back up Norris isn't contributing either. I would trade Norris as well. I think Tierre Brown can take his place. If Denver won't give up McDyess- they'd be really stupid to do so, how about Mobley and Norris for Nick Van Exel? Heck if Rudy T doesn't do anything by Christmas, he should be sacked.
Offense with movement would greatly help his cause. I would love to see him come off picks, but i guess rudy think it would be bad for his spacing to get a good shot in the flow of the offense. The lack of motion is another reason why francis doesn't throw enough asst. I mean a decent point man could throw 7, and he can't do that. Its not really his fault because he has to dribble the ball and hope guys ht the open long range shot. Right now , i wouldn't trade Mobley, but in 2003 after francis is locked up and duncan is free, he might have to be included with taylor and cato in a deal.
Mobley's shot selection is terrible. It's almost as bad as Iverson's. I don't mind if Mobley shoots a lot if he takes good shots, but I hate watching him chuck up jumpers whenever he gets the ball.
