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Jon Barry vindicates the system.....sort of

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by conquistador#11, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. daernoth

    daernoth Member

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    Im probably the only one but i dont think they should run any of JVG's stuff at all. That will just lengthen the adjustment period and get them set in some bad habits(from the perspective of the new system). Better to lose a few games in the beginning of the year so we can break thru the ice. You only learn by doing. They aint gonna learn the new system by ignoring it and going backwards. :(
     
  2. mzymmm

    mzymmm Rookie

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    And you sir, don't know what you are talking about.
     
  3. gsw4315

    gsw4315 New Member

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    well for all of jon barry's questionable analysis, one thing is for sure
    the rockets were definitely more fun to watch when he was on it
    anyone remember the 04-05 team with sura, barry, mike james, scott padgett and tmac leading the 3 point attack, averaging 97 points a game to end the season but that number was deflated by our horrible opening to that season, under van gundy no less

    the behind the back passes, the dunks, and just the veteran toughness.....if only the refs didnt ruin that season

    btw, does anyone have a picture of sura doing the 3 point hand gesture that the team invented for the playoffs
     
  4. BucMan55

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    Difference between that team and this: Open 3 point shots going in.
     
  5. rv2843

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    Wrong. Only when 2.5 feet away from basket
     
  6. FLAGRANT1

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    and even then he's iffy.
     
  7. doublebogey

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    Chuck Hayes' FG% is only ~ 57%. But considering most of his FGAs are layups, I think Hayes is only average finisher under the basket - Hayes rarely dunks.
     
  8. daddy cool

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    In rick's offense the rockets will contrinue to struggle if you start rafer alston and chuck hayes. In van gundy's system it worked because you had a isolation based game plan. In this offense if you are going to start the game in the high post you really have 1 person in the game that can intaite in that position. You have Yao who when you give it to him in the high post he can't give you the triple threat that vlade or webber could give you. He isn't going to drive to the basket and he is basiclly is wasting 24 second time in trying to find the cutters or hand offs in the corner series that they run. Plus in the corner series the way they ran it in sacramento you had bibby setting up in the corner who could shoot the ball now you have only one option in that series becasue rafer can't shoot so the only other option is the cutter.



    Now yao can do drubble hand offs and set Big screens to get t-mac open but if you have luis at the other elbow and francis in the game you have more options to select from.This way the offense runs better because everybody in the game is a threat and you can't just overplay T-mac and Yao you have multiple options to go through. Right now their offense is being overplayed you end up with no movement and bad shots because they have only a few options to turn to once they overplay one side and rick keeps talking about we don't swing the ball when it get's stuck on one side,Well you can't reverse the ball if the players on the other side are offensively challenged.




    The offense isn't going to work as long as you have rafer alston and chuck hayes in the starting unit. They will keep struggling out the gates in the first quarter and playing catch up in the 3rd quarter playing this lineup. The rcokets catch of ground in the 2nd and 4th quarters but loose games in the 1st and 3rd quarters.
     
  9. Dei

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    Idiot.

    If you look at the Kings circa Divac, Webber, Christie, Stojakovic, Bibby, plus the deep bench, all 5 players they had at the court could score. The Princeton offense relies on balanced scoring. When one of the parts is offensively challenged, that takes away a lot.
     
  10. Dave_78

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    This team is talented enough that if Rick Adelman is even a half decent coach the offense should be very good once everyone learns their role. I hate to disappoint a lot of members here but you don't need a 20 point threat at every position to have a great team offense.

    Will the offense be as "pretty" was in Sacramento? Probably not but it can be just as effective and it should be backed up by a very good defense as well.
     
  11. hooroo

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    averaged 17.7 points in his third year
     
  12. daddy cool

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    No you don't need 20 point threats at every position but you do need pieces that can put the ball into the basket and right now the rockets are playing 2 on 5 most games and 3 on 5 depending on shane's stroke that night. The rockets are losing games in the 1st quarters and 3rd quarters.I'm suprised rick being the offensive minded coach that he is has allowed such inept offensive flow.
     
  13. Angkor Wat

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    Umm Corliss was a baller off the bench. You must not have seen those Kings. He came in and put up points in bunches. Barry is right, each player on the entire starting lineup could drop 20 points on any given night. Even before Bibby, Jason Williams started but Bobby Jackson always finished because of his ability to score.
     

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