That's a very accurate statement. The vocal leader has been JVG up until this season, but management decided to dump him for a guy who stands/sits with his mouth open and says nothing the entire game. Now our coach and two best players just sit there and look at each other.
ya, phil jackson is the same way and look at his rings. tony dungy is the same way and look at his ring. joe torre is the same way and look at his rings. people lead in different ways. why don't people ever get that? u don't have to yell/scream/get down and dirty w/ your players. you can lead by example, intelligence... i believe yao and tmac are leaders. they just need to win. and now that htey have a team, they will. everyone in april will start getting on their jocks about their "newfound" leadership when it has always been there. just have had crappy teammates since forever.
phil jackson also had MJ as that team's vocal leader...he kept everybody in line. last year, the vocal leader was JVG. this year, it's nobody. that's not to bash anybody, that's just the way it is. your coach doesn't (and SHOULDN'T) necessarily have to be your vocal leader, but somebody does. if you say or think any different, then odds are you've never been on a team that's worth a poo.
didn't mcgrady say last year's team was the most talented team he's ever been on? what about the 04-05 team? seriously.
I know he's pretty good at english now but you have to be very proficient with words to be a team leader. So, not a vocal leader. But, he leads by example. On the China National team, he is probably both.
ok, what about joe torre's yankees? derek jeter is not a vocal leader (look at how he handled the arod situation) and people think he's a great leader (the CAPTAIN). look at tony dungy's style of coaching. peyton manning is not a "vocal" leader, but he leads by example. again, i'm not saying you're wrong. i'm just saying our stars are leaders who lead by examples. too bad their teammates have sucked so badly that they can't follow. that's all.
he also said juwan howard was going to take the orlando magic to another level . dude didn't go to college, what do u expect?
baseball...lol. even "if" you do need a vocal leader on a baseball team, those yankee teams had so much talent to overcome the absence of one. football...there's like 60 guys on the team, so that's another tough argument. besides, peyton's out there barking orders every play, and he's got the game to back it up so everybody DOES follow his lead. i agree that tmac and yao lead by example. but this team is missing a vocal leader. period. and how do you lead by example when your jumpshot's not fallng? by guarding the other team's WORST offensive player every night?
shaq and kobe were NEVER the vocal leaders of the lakers, derek fisher and ron harper were. phil jackson admitted that. kobe was NEVER a leader of any team he has been on b/c of his selfishness and cockiness. shaq has always been child-like and never serious (usually comes into shape fat). they lead BY EXAMPLE. the best players don't have to be your vocal leaders to win.
haha...true up 3-1 on the Pistons: "Man it feels so good to get out of the first round" That's tops on the list.
that's not my argument. i'm saying this team doesn't have even a ron harper or derek fisher, but it sure as hell needs one. man i wish bobby sura was still healthy.
very true. bob sura was that guy for us, along w/ jon barry. they both had that swagger. maybe mike james and francis (when he gets consistent minutes) will be those guys for us. hell even the thug bonzi. we have those guys. just wait until they get comfortable on this team. i remember when josh howard fouled yao really hard, and bob sura retaliated on josh.
Hakeem was a leader. Yao is a leader wannabe. Hakeem could dictate the game on both ends of the floor consistently in his prime. He played at a level that Yao has only flirted with. Everyone knew that "as Hakeem goes, so go the Rockets". It's not really that way with Yao in part due to having TMac. Yao's on-court presence fluctuates during the course of a 48 minute game. Yao can play tough at times and play soft at times. Everyone knows we need tough Yao to beat the best. Hakeem could handle whatever was thrown at him defensively. Yao can be rendered ineffective under the same pressure at times. I think leadership comes from how one plays the game. Hakeem had it. Yao can only dream of having it at the moment. lol.
Is Duncan a true leader? Was Snaq a true leader? Would you call Rasheed wallace a leader? How about Kobe? No, but they all have rings. Lock this thread. ASAP.
The players like Rafer, James, and Head need a leader to be controlled. I just wonder what would MJ do for those players if they were in the bulls. I saw MJ yell Scott for a quick shot he took even Scott made a shot during the jazz series.
Anyone remember Sir Charles taking down Shaq? That was leadership. Robert Reid playing point in the '86 playoffs? Leadership. Mario? Leadership personified. We don't have a leader on this team. Yet.
Do we really need to clearly identify a true leader in winning the Championship? I was thinking of SAS .. one would thought Tim Duncan is the true leader but then I found Parker seemed to be the leader and the MVP who carry SAS last yr to the Championship. Currently Manu seems to be carrying them now when their team need to win.
NOPE... both Yao and Tmac...have lack that killer instinct...or the ability to put away a playoff game when needed... sure both have have very good to great playoff performances... but when the series was on the line these guys have both failed... and we make excuses for them... o there teammates...couldnt shoot or didnt pass the ball... lost the ball bringing it up etc etc etc... solution is easy... bring the ball up yourself... demand the ball... and shoot the ball yourself!!!! what ever it takes... we can go on a 50 game win streak when Tmac makes it back.... but we still wont make it out of the first round....
