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Rafer Alston vs. Mike James vs. Steve Francis

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 16, 2007.

  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    True. And those guys also pick up a lot of offensive fouls, but I understand your point.
     
  2. shipwreck

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    quoted because i agree.
     
  3. rocket08

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    Let's start Aaron Brooks. He hasn't missed one shot this season!
     
  4. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    Not a single one of them should be a starting point guard in the NBA
     
  5. BucMan55

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    Infallible logic. If ya dont miss, its tough to beat ya.
     
  6. BucMan55

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    Well, then by this logic the league should implode half the teams so that half the starting point guards in the league can find their rightful selves out of the league or on the bench.
     
  7. mlwoo

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    Respectfully disagree.

    Mike James is not the answer as our starting point guard. I like it when he comes in off the bench. He shoots a lot, but he really is struggling with his shot right now. When he starts making them, we will all be happy. He has the ability to get very hot as we saw with his last stint with the Rockets.

    I would much rather have him driving to the basket than Rafer any day. His floater goes in more than it misses while Rafer's tear drop is, well, rafer's teardrop: awful.

    Mike is a good bench player to have and Rafer is so bad.

    I'm not saying that I think Steve is the answer but he could not be any worse than Rafer.
     
  8. Shroopy2

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    RA vs MJ vs SF

    B-ball IQ: RA > MJ = SF
    ball handling: RA >> MJ > SF
    assits/setting up others: RA > SF > MJ
    3 pt shooting: MJ >> RA > SF
    mid range shooting: MJ > SF > RA
    penetrating: SF >> MJ > RA
    free throws attempts: SF > MJ > RA
    free throw shooting: SF = MJ > RA
    athleticism: SF >> MJ > RA
    rebounding: SF >> RA = MJ
    defense: RA = MJ > SF
    toughness: SF = MJ >> RA
    We Want: SF > MJ >>>>>> RA


    SF is also the slightly younger of the 3 if that matters..no LH or AB for now. This wont mean anything in a few weeks anyways, when either of these guys gets traded or sat on the bench.

    After knowing what Rafer is from start to now, and after seeing what you saw from Francis just one game...if a GM were to call the Rockets on who to acquire, who would YOU think they'd want of the 2?
     
  9. cdrive

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    Rafer's "slump"

    right now he is 9 of 45 for .200

    he needs to do 109 of 290 at .375

    for him to get to 118 out of 335 for his usual .350 3point shooting

    (assuming he stays at about 4 attempts per game)


    so to get out of his slump he needs to turn it around to the tune of a 17% increase!


    last year rafer after 11 games.
    3-8
    4-6
    2-7
    0-3
    3-8
    3-7
    2-4
    2-4
    3-6
    1-5
    2-7

    25-65 about 38%
    2% difference from his avg for that season
     
  10. DaRhx05

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    Alright this is what it boils down to:

    1. Rafer has proven he cant be our starting point guard as all of you know, besides his ballhanlding skillz and decent passing he got nothing else

    2. Mike James being rather the opposite is a great scorer but takes one too many dribbles and not enough good passes

    3. Steve francis has yet to prove he should be starting but anyone other than rafer should help the team more than hurt them

    4. Luther head is also a great shooter but besides that plays more like a shooting guard than point guard

    So i say get James to start for now until Francis can prove he is starter material and maybe switch them when its time and we trade rafer maybe head too for another small foward
     
  11. kwng

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    That's atrocious. Is there any chances other PG has similar or lower %FG
    or his he the lowest?
     
  12. kwng

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    Not only his %FG is atrocious, he does not go to the rim, disrupt or pressure opponent defense, not very good in defending opponent's PG. He can pass though.
     
  13. Rocket 914

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    Mike James as PG works if we want to have Tmac or Yao as facilitators. Rafer does a better job of setting up teammates and pushing the ball.

    Steve should be the best penetrator, he'll just need to pick his spots and make quicker moves. Defensively, he needs to gamble less and help out on defensive boards, where he is also the best among the PGs.
     
  14. Old Man Rock

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    Actually you seem to respectfully agree
     
  15. DudeWah

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    <br>
    My take:
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    B-ball IQ: RA > MJ = SF
    ball handling: RA > MJ = SF
    assits/setting up others: SF > RA > MJ
    3 pt shooting: MJ >> RA > SF
    mid range shooting: MJ > SF > RA
    penetrating: SF >>> MJ >>>> RA
    free throws attempts: SF >>> MJ > RA
    free throw shooting: SF = MJ > RA
    athleticism: SF >> MJ > RA
    rebounding: SF >> RA = MJ
    defense: RA >= MJ = SF
    toughness: SF = MJ >> RA
    We Want: SF > MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RA<br>
    Alston does not actually set up others. His assists come from handing the ball to Yao or T-Mac. Francis penetrates and creates for others, and thats where his assists come from.
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    All our point guards play mediocre defense. That doesn't mean that any of them do a horrible job, but they aren't densive studs by any means. Rafer gets quite alot of steals to his credit.
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    And of course, WE WANT STEVE! And, WE WANT TO BENCH RAFER :D
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    Great observations though :)
     
  16. BrooksBall

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    I agree with everything except the last two words.

    I would go for a POWER forward rather than a SMALL forward.
     
  17. Rockets1616

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    Yeah, we need someone who could guard powerforwards like boozer, duncan and garnett. Chuck Hayes is a great defender, but he is just too short.

    As for the guards situation, we really cant judge Francis after one game. He played alright, but looks a little rusty on shooting. We need to see more of him. He penetrated well, and made some nice passes. If he could get that midrange jumper down and just decent on three's, he would be great. Luther plays more of a SG game, but is a good weapon for when McGrady penetrates and has a good 3 point shooter to kick it out to. When hot, James is a very good scorer, and we could use him off the bench for some scoring. We just need to get some more time for Francis so he can show RA what he can do.
     
  18. JayLau910

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    Here's something interesting I read.

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20071118_THE_BUZZ_Garnett_is_making_a_difference.html

    This is what it says:

    "Rick Adelman doesn't have room for Steve Francis in his Rockets rotation, and Franchise is champing at the bit. After reporting to camp fat and out of shape, Francis has dropped some pounds and is working out extra after practice. But Adelman is playing Bonzi Wells, Mike James and Luther Head ahead of Francis, who's piling up the DNP-CDs.

    We hear Tracy McGrady has been lobbying to get Francis more burn, with no luck. Can't understand why the Rockets brought him back if they're not going to throw him a bone, because it's just a matter of time before he explodes.

    And if he's just going to rot on the bench in Houston, you'd think a certain local club in desperate need of some scoring might want to check into his availability. He's making the veteran minimum now, and he's 30, not 80. Just sayin'."
     
  19. Cohen

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    Contrary what to JVG and Adelman say? I think I'll trust their assessment over yours.

    btw, looked at Lenovo stats yet?
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Don't trust what anyone says, make up your own mind.

    Lenovo stats are worthless when comparing players that have not played yet.

    And the stats are inflated or deflated based upon who you play with....Rafer's stats are seriously skewed...by playing with Tmac and Yao.

    DD
     

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