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Does TMAC ICE The ROX Because He Demands the Ball so Much?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by EGYPT, Nov 17, 2007.

  1. EGYPT

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    Since he has been out the team is having a better shooting percentage and they are sharing the ball a lot more. Scola and James are not scared of shooting so as the rest of the guys, what do you guys think. :confused:
     
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    No. The problem is the other players lose intensity on offense because they think Tracy will do it all. If the other guys play up to their potential, Tracy will take fewer shots, will score less and will not mind one bit.
     
  3. TrailerMonkey

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    Uh, James was NEVER scared of shooting. If anything, James NEEDs to be scared of shooting at times but the dude's never met a shot he didn't like.
     
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    We are 13-38 without Tmac over the past 3 years. Doesn't get anymore clear than that.

    Yao is playing awful without Tmac, the pressure is too much for him. He is a role player, not a leader.
     
  5. EGYPT

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    I guess it is the chicken or the egg kind of thing, because you can make the argument that they do not get enough touches to get going, especially Scola.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    I believe it hurts the role players when he dominates the ball so much, I would like more possessions where everyone touches the ball and it ends up with a good shot by Tmac or anyone.

    DD
     
  7. A_3PO

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    Not really. For last 3 years here, Tracy clearly is more interested in winning games than dominating the ball. If Scola will roll (instead of watch) after he sets the pick for Tracy the ball will come. In fact, Tracy specifically told him that.
     
  8. lovemtracy

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    I only know that without tmac, Yao and Wells struggled a lot and the rockets could not steal any win until now.
    miss tmac.
     
  9. tracy hong

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    yeah...having a better shooting percentage with a LOSING record...

    well, win is the ultimate goal, however gotten..as long as it's decent...
     
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    We're also 0-3 since he went out so your post is ridiculous.
     
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    So basically you're accusing EVERY superstar of derailing his team then, using that ridiculous logic.
     
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    yes. they play much better team ball without him.

    but, they cant win without him.

    irony at its best.
     
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    TMAC is the best playmaker on our team. Tmac needs to realize, when he gets back, that he should ease on the scoring a little. We can win without him scoring 30+ points. If you can get your teammates involved, it becomes a more efficient game.

    Yes, we win when TMAC scores a lot. But your getting short term gains over long term losses. A stretch of games where players just stand around and watch you score will lead to diminished productivity. Then we'll get creamed by the top tier teams like SA, Mavs and Suns.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Exactly my point.
     
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    99% of teams play better team ball when their superstar is out, since other guys are forced to step up. People forget that and go into the mode of "they're playing better without that star player, thus that star player is hurting them!" The perfect example of a team playing better without their star player mainly because they had to and not because the player was hurting them was the Bulls in the '92 Finals. They were getting blown out and Jordan went to the bench and Pippen and the other players lead the Bulls back. Teams step up in critical situations. It's more a reflection of the character of a team, not the faults of the superstar.
     
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    no, the problem is they are just not man enough to step up to the plate to play with a superstar.

    everyone can play better if they feel no pressure to win (and we didn't). but they show they can play. now when tracy passes them the ball (which tracy has done, his shot attempts have gone down for the most part outside of the grizz game ever since the start of the season), they need to execute the play and not think.

    now when tracy returns, their confidence should be there, esp. scola.
     
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    Well, it does. But so is Kobe, AI, and other great one on one players. It's up to RA to draw up plays, mix them up. So far, I havent seen the supposed offense wizardary from RA. What has done differently from JVG on offense so far?
     
  18. macfan

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    Come on Da, make up your mind. I distinctively remember you last season saying Tmac was passing the ball too much and he should be more agressive.

    He does pass the ball. The problem a few games ago was that Battier and Scola were missing too much. At what point do you say: They don't have it tonight. Scola was shooting airballs before Tmac went out.

    He's a very good game manager. If his teammates are playing well, he will pass the ball every single time.
     
  19. WNBA

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    TMAC should study Scola's game.
     
  20. doublehh03

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    um u don't think he wanted that? what do u think he did when we played the lakers? dude held back on so many potential shots to create. but scola airball and dropped a few passes. he just didn't have confidence then. he has confidence now.

    tmac wants to pass. he wants a team, not a tmac-only team.
     

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