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This team has no reliable end game go to scorer besides TMAC

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by smartxtai, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. SmitingPurpleEm

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    At least I cheer for the Rockets. You only want to see Yao fail. You're not even a Rockets fan.
     
  2. WNBA

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    I dont understand where your conclusion is from and I am not going to argue with a pshyco like you.

    I always claimed myself as a YOF, but I was a YOF who thinks Yao can improve, Yao is not perfect, Yao can be criticized, Yao need big help.........
    Now I am shamed to have been a YOF because of other YOFs' behaving.

    I don't hate anyone, including JVG and Rafer, but I do hate YOFs like you.
     
  3. wnes

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    The stats on the link you provide is way outdated. Yao has since the '06 season become a much better FT shooter, in clutch and non-clutch time alike. Last night was an aberration for him, not the rule. Where were you hiding in the Bobcats game just a few days earlier?

    Now since we are debating the clutchness of Yao vs TMac, how about we also taking a look at another metric from the same website using the stats from same data pool, i.e., regular season games of '03-'04, '04-'05, '05-'06, playoff games of '03-'04, '05-'06.

    Game Winning Shots:
    http://www.82games.com/random12.htm

    In games where there were 24 seconds or less left, and the Rockets with the ball were either tied or down by 1 to 2 points, as an established superduper mega star, McGrady shot 34.8% from the field, about 10 percentage point drop from his career average. Yao the dominant center still in the making, on the other hand, shot 50% from the field, just 2 percentage point below his career average.

    Chew on that, YOHs and TOFs.
     
  4. SmitingPurpleEm

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    You are not only a YOH but also a liar. Your post history is self-explanatory. I hate YOH's because their sole reason for trolling forums like this is to pile on the hate when Yao plays poorly. At least I care about how the Rockets do.

    Criticizing Yao is fine but you are way over the top.
     
  5. BackNthDay

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    Yes, they do, Steve Francis who can not only hit the jumper but drive to the bucket and get fouled, pass for an assist, and 1, or pull up for a jumper.
     
  6. SmitingPurpleEm

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    Or he'll commit a 24 second violation while overdribbling, jack up a crazy fadeaway to avoid the 24 second violation, throw the ball into the third row, or dribble the ball off his foot out of bounds.
     
  7. doublehh03

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    you're a fan of the rockets? :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  8. SmitingPurpleEm

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    I would ask the same of you given how much you love McGrady's stats and how much you love to see Yao fail.
     
  9. doublehh03

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    lol at this guy who wants yao to average 35/15/7.

    i'd love for tmac to play less, be more efficient (i love for him to avg 23-24 pts and have 4-5 dimes) and have a tremendous 9-man rotation w/ bonzi, francis, james play a big part in his part.

    but oh, u want yao to average 35/15/7 regardless if we win or lose (since we lost those games where he did that last yr)
     
  10. Guru

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    Thats a good point, but you might want to consider the sample size on that:
    Player Fgm Fga Fg% Ftm Fta Ast T/O
    Yao Ming 4 8 .500 4 5 0 1
    Tracy McGrady 8 23 .348 8 8 0 1
    Kobe Bryant 7 32 .219 8 9 0 1

    The fact that Yao was only called upon to do that 8 times in three years shows how difficult it is for a center to create for himself. It seems a lot easier for player on the wing who is fast enough to take the quick shot and penetrate - the likes of T-mac (23). And if one really wants to get nit-picky, Yao missed one freethrow more than T-Mac (0). And above all, if you think T-mac sucks, Kobe is even worse...when reality is if the game was on the line and you had to pick between Yao and Kobe, it would be crazy not to pick Kobe.

    I think all this, YOH, TOH, YOF, and TOF stuff is ****. If you are a YOF, or TOF go buy their shoes to show your suport. I would like to think people on this board are supporters of the Rockets and are only concerened with the number of Ws we get. At least I am, even if it is the likes of JL3 making a comeback against the Lakers (last year).

    GO ROCKETS!
     
  11. poprocks

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    Well we would have a reliable 3rd scorer if we hadn't made that Battier/Gay trade. Houston Management is so stupid. This reminds me of the Texasn picking Mario Williams over Vince Young and Reggie Bush
     
  12. GermanRoxFan

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    i don't need to hide. why should i? because i'm telling the truth?

    the data might be a little old but its a great summary of a lot of games until 2005/06. that's a very good sample size. of course, yao improved his ft shooting since entering the league. but he was hitting 85.3 % of his fts in 05/06. in 06/07 he made 86.2 % of his fts and this season he's at 85.3 %. i agree that yao is now a better ft shooter than ever but from the games i've seen (basically all games since 05/06) i've never considered him a clutch ft shooter even until today. i'm a big yao fan and i'm amazed by his ability to shoot fts at above 85 %. but he's just not a clutch ft shooter. it is how it is and i can't deny that.


    excuse me, but labeling me as a tof or yoh is just plain stupid and ignorant on your part. it shows where you're coming from. you obviously can't take yao being criticized. hell, i even didn't criticize him. i just stated facts.

    you might want to read my posts again. i said the rockets have a huge disadvantage in shooting fts. that applies especially for the crunch time. the first three options of this rockets team have problems hitting clutch fts. yao isn't the only one. t-mac's also included. and so is bonzi wells. just look at the mavs. you can't foul dirk. you can't foul terry. you can't foul stackhouse. you can't foul howard. those guys know how to take advantage of the freebies. and that's a really, really huge advantage. or a disadvantage if you're the rockets.

    so try to understand what i'm really trying to say and stop annoying this board with calling people names. we've already enough of this bullsh!t.
     
  13. doublehh03

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    exactly. stop labeling names. we can see if yuo support the team or the player.
     
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    That is the most hilarious thing I have heard in a long time.

    Apparently you want to keep being a TOF without being called out as such. Too bad no one else buys your BS.
     
  15. doublehh03

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    i don't want go get into it with you. but if i'm a TOF, at least i'm just a big fan of his. you're his lover b/c obviously, everything with you revolves around yao. u want him to put up 35/15/7 and disregards if the team win.

    u only tlak about yao yao yao all day. are you yao's publicist?
     
  16. SmitingPurpleEm

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    You're making excuses for Adelman because he is pumping up McGrady's stats. Don't you notice how nobody else is defending our current crappy offense except you? At least under JVG our spot up shooters were hitting their jumpers.
     
  17. doublehh03

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    this logic proves you know nothing about the game of basketball. so under JVG we take jumpshots and we make them. under adelman, we take jumpshots and we miss them. they're the same jumpshots.

    WIDE OPEN JUMPSHOTS. :eek: :eek: :eek:

    and when have i defended this offense? this offense is crappy. tmac is still doing too much. i want him to do less dude. this offense has potential but we're still playing like JVG's style of depending on the jump shot too much (u do know adelman still has a lot of JVG's set plays right?) if this was adelman, we wouldn't jack up a gazillion jumpers a game but actually get more easy baskets.

    but oh yea, the only time u didn't complain was when yao put up good stats during the 3 game winning streak (u didn't say a word about adelman's offense). now he's struggling again and you're killin adelman again.
     
  18. TheSummit

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    Classic Knee jerk reaction
     
  19. SmitingPurpleEm

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    I have never pretended to be an Adelman fan. I never wanted him fired and wanted him out from the beginning. To tell the truth I desperately want JVG back. I toned down the rhetoric and stopped calling for his head because, guess what, WE WERE WINNING. You know, the Rockets were on a winning streak?

    You said another post that Adelman's offense "needs time" and blames the players for not buying into it. Come now, the only two players who have benefitted are Bonzi and McGrady, and Bonzi benefitting is not a function of an offense but entirely a function of how motivated he is. Therefore the only reason to defend the offense is because it's pumping up McGrady's stats.
     
  20. doublehh03

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    yao is having his best overall shooting % at 56% before the lakers game.

    he's benefiting more than anybody. he's scoring 24ppg, having more energy to end games, getting 3-4 assists regularly...

    and tmac has been used as a playmaker more recently than a scorer so we haven't gone much into adelman's offense.

    i've defended well b/c IT'S BEEN 9 FREAKIN' GAMES.

    if we judge on small sample sizes like u, tmac would be considered a flop in 04-05 when he avg 18ppg in his first month when we traded for him.

    this is AN 82-GAME SEASON. NOT A 9 GAME SEASON.

    the team when tmac first came here didn't gel until january.

    what month is it right now? yes, it's mid-november.

    some people just don't have the patience. how do u go through life? at the first sign of obstacle and it's over?

    the reason we're done w/ JVG b/c the offense sucks EVERY YEAR. adelman's offense has struggled for 9 games.

    tell me when this offense still sucks when we roll through the all-star break.
     

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