I remember last year you guys were piling on JVG for putting Bonzi in his doghouse and never letting him out. Most people here wanted to fire JVG just for that reason because he was being unfair to Bonzi and not developing our bench. So what is Adelman doing with Francis? Same exact freaking thing!!!! Are you telling me that Luther and Snyder deserver minutes over Steve? With Rafter bricking everything he throws up, you can not convince me that Adelman is not being stubborn like JVG and keeping Francis at the end of the bench. Agreed???
Just like last year, we have no idea what the coach is seeing in practice, the coach sees these player everyday, we see them for a couple of hours during the game. We haven't seen SF3 yet but I can only assume if he's not in the line up, he's not at the level RA needs him to be so as to justify moving him into the rotation. Also, RA just JVG is an established coach in the league, they'll let things play out for a while before they make any drastic changes.
Yeah man i am starting to hate this coach. what is it going to take for him to take rafer out? at this point i dont care if he put steve in or not, just take rafer out he is hurting the team throwing up bricks everynight. we had the best start and now it look like we are going to be behind the pack. we have no room for error, the west is just too strong. we lost 1 game and now we are in 6-7 place. a day ago we were number 1. i cant stand rafer anylonger. RAFER MUST GO!!
man at this point i dont give a damn if he throw my 10 years old nephew in. we are lucky to be 6-3 with this offense. we should be 4-5 or 3-6 now if not for shane's lucky 3 and the calls in the bobcats game. i mean come on! we lost to memphis and bobcats give us fit!
Steve apparently hasn't shown RA that he has the drive to work hard and get in shape. I mean, yeah...it's sad; I can't say I thought Steve would be riding the pine through the 8th game of the season. If Rafer keeps on sh*ttin in everyone's proverbial kool-aid and MJ, Luther, etc don't play spectacularly with T-Mac out, it SEEMS TO ME that it would be LOGICAL to TRY Francis out for a few mins. I guess at this point he doesn't *DESERVE* to break into the game, but when worse comes to worse...RA might have to try out all his options.
If you say so man, after all we as fans always know best, right? I want to see SF3 contribute as well but when he's ready, if the coach doesn't think he's ready, well, he has a lot more information to work with than we fans do. Coaches put in people who they think will give them the best shot to win the game, period. People can't pull this evil overlord thing out this year like last year with Bonzi because has always been considered a players coach.
Just like last year, we're seeing a talented player being shelved because the coach has made it personal. Just like last year, the team will suffer due to the coach's ego. It's petty and it's wrong.
calm down people...have some perspective!! rafer is not as bad as you guys thought and stevie will get a chance some time.
The criticism wasn't warranted last year, and its not warranted this year either. Both were just playing the guys they felt gave them the best chance to win. They're in a much better position to make an informed decision on who to play than we are. We're not talking about rookie coaches here. Both are proven, and reputed.
I am a big SF fan but for Steve to not get some playing time with TMac out and James and Rafer playing like they are can only mean he has done something to piss off Adelman. I know its not Steves talent because even at his age I know he can outplay Rafer and James. Steve needs to man up and approach Adelman and make peace, doing crap like whining or not wearing his uniform isn't going to get him on the floor.
how come people weren't that understanding of JVG last year with Bonzi then?...we all know Bonzi can be an a$$ but everybody was on JVG last year... so if Steve really isn't in the doghouse then you tell me why steve isn't getting Garbage minutes either to help see what he can do in live action...I can understand if you don't want to bring him in when the game is on the line...but for example, in the first game vs. portland we were up by 12 with like a minute to go...why not bring him in ..get him some floor time....are u telling me you think Adelman can justify having Mike James come in and shoot 2-10 with 3 Turnovers and 0 assists and you can't bring Steven in for a few minutes to see if he provide a spark??! that is called putting a player in the doghouse and being stubborn!!....you keep mentioning that coaches play the players who deserve it..not always the case...coaches have motives too ..not as bad as players but they have egos and Adelman is letting it interfere with Steve....
I was understanding last year with JVG last year and this year. As for garbage mins, which ones? Nearly all the games have been hotly contested affairs and have had their outcomes decided in the fourth. No coach is going to just randomly change up his rotation for no good reason when the games still very much in question. Had we seen a few blowouts and still no Steve, thats another story.
portland first game..we were up 12 with like 1 or 2 mins left in the game..the whole Toyota Center was chanting for Steve...isn't that garbage time?
I think the difference here is JVG saw Rafer for 2 years and still left him in. Adelman has only seen him for a few games and Francis didn't look great in his time in practices or the preseason. Now Rafer has returned to his bottom of the NBA form. Adelman will pull the plug soon and bump someone up. It might be Francis, Brooks, or more time at the point for Luther. Adelman keeps a tight rotation, but that doesn't mean that the tight rotation can't change. Adelman adapts his rotation to the roster just as he adapts the offense. However, pulling and plugging players on a whim is no way to manage a team.
What about the fact he wasnt even wearing his jersey and shorts under his warm ups? Even clutch has talked about what stevie isnt doing i think they're playing rafer in hopes that he'll get hot and they can trade him... but steve needs to show some more initiative
Bonzi had very little to do with JVG getting fired. I think most people here supported JVG in his treatment of Bonzi, who was totally out of shape and lacking in motivation. JVG was a bit too stern and stubborn perhaps, but there was no doubt it was nearly all Bonzi's fault last year. Nobody forced him to not sign the big contract with Sacramento. Nobody forced him to eat him self out of the rotation. He is an adult and should not be pampered like a freaking baby, and JVG didn't. JVG got fired for getting us knocked out of the 1st round of the playoffs twice after being up 2 games to none. He got fired because our offense sputtered under his watch.
Funny thing is that JVG did give Wells some PT, and if I remember correctly, he was not put completely in the dog house until after a couple of injuries.
Bonzi shouldn't have played last year because he was an unmotivated, out of shape joke, who embarassed himself when he was on the court. He should play this year because adjusted his attitude and got into shape. It is moronic to point to this year's Bonzi and use that as evidence that JVG should have given more minutes to last year's Bonzi. As for Steve Francis, I give Adeleman the benefit of the doubt, just as I gave it to JVG.
