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Say it ain't so, JWill!

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by Live, Dec 6, 2001.

  1. Live

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    16 3pt attempts, Jason?! 3 assists?! C'MON!!

    BTW, what do ya'll think of Dunleavy, Jr.?

    Is he another Danny Ferry, or is he much, much more?

    With the exception of Brand, Duke big men scare me. Duke perimeter and swing players are fine, but their big men end up being Trojan horses.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. RunninRaven

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    I don't know about Duke's big men (save Dunleavy), but I am still not sold on Jason Williams OR Mike Dunleavy Jr.

    They may both turn out to be great, but they both seem kind of one or two dimensional. Williams shoots a lot of 3's, and his passing is pretty good. Dunleavy shoots a lot of 3's. I am not certain of his inside game, but he seems as skinny as Dan Langhi, so I doubt it will be very strong in the NBA.

    Somebody prove me wrong, because I would love to see Dunleavy turn out well.
     
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  4. Desert Scar

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    If Dunleavy was on any other team in the land nobody would notice him. He lives off the creation of his shot by others, and isn't even as good at this as Thomas Hill was, who I don't think played a minute in the NBA.

    I do think Williams will be a long time fine player and Boozer should have a long NBA career as well (starter or non-starter, I don't know, but guys with his size, strength and athletcism hang around). Can't comment on anyone else.
     
  5. Live

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    OK then, who do you like better:

    Mike Dunleavy, Jr. or Jared Jeffries?

    My vote's for Jeffries.
     
  6. kidrock8

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    What???

    Dunleavy has a very good handle, and can drive the ball pretty damn well for his size. Because of that, he is damn tough to defend because of his size and skills.

    Not as good as Thomas Hill????? Thomas Hill couldn't shoot or dribble.
     
  7. kidrock8

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    What's with the Dunleavy hating?

    He is much better than Jefferies. Jefferies doesn't have a real position. He has nice size, but he can't be a SF, because his outside shot is shaky, and he can't put it on the floor.

    Dunleavy can shoot and drive. He runs the floor well, and his long arms enable him to play decent defense.

    He can also pass as well as any 6 ft 9 guy in the college game today.

    He is more closer to Larry Bird than Danny Ferry...

    Dunleavy is physical, Ferry isn't.
     
  8. kidrock8

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    J Williams is highly overrated, at least at PG.

    He IS NOT a PG.
     
  9. Dave Jamerson

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    jason williams is the next marbury...same game, better attitude...duhon will be a much better pro player i think
     
  10. Desert Scar

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    Thomas Hill was a very good shooter, he just couldn't create a shot and didn't have the quickness to be a pro 2.

    Dunleavy is only physical againt 6'2" guys, and isn't quick enough to play defense on a decently skilled guard or even small forward. I don't see him having any pro potential, certainly not even as much as Danny Ferry, let alone some of the other names mentioned.

    Jason Williams is a great, great player. Boozer is a force inside. They create shots for others players they never would get on a less talented team. Take away Wlliams and Boozer, nobody on Duke looks special IMO. I am not Duhan or Dunleavy hating, just calling it like I see it. Just another group of college role players for Duke who look better than they are because of the system and the great inside-outside players around them. If either of these two emerge to stand on their own two feet, I believe it is Duhan over Dunleavy anyway because Duhan at least has some quickness.
     
  11. kidrock8

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    You're a Boozer fan?

    Boozer half asses it more often than not.

    He doesn't really rebound well.
     
  12. Desert Scar

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    Boozer is BY FAR the 2nd most important Duke player. His inside game is what allows opponents to leave guys like Duhan and Dunleavy open (Williams can get a sufficiently good enough look all by himself). When your that size and have decent athleticsm and good hands, there is a place for you in the NBA. He is a lot like Randolph who we haven't seen much this season. I would however bet either Randolph or Boozer would get major PT for the Rockets right now, and might actually do positive things for us.
     
  13. gr8-1

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    I like Boozer.

    What do y'all think of Drew Gooden? I liked him last year, though admittedly I haven't seen him play this year.
     
  14. kidrock8

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    Has anyone here REALLY watched Duke play this year? To label Dunleavy as a spot-up shooter means you have not watched him play at all this year.

    He has the ball in his hands much more than Boozer does, thus negating the theory that Boozer "opens it up" for Dunleavy.

    Dunleavy has the best mid-range J off the penetration in the NCAA. In the Maui tourney, he routinely stopped and popped the 15 ft J.

    If anything Boozer is the one who gets setup by the penetration of the Duke guards.

    All he really has done is dunk.

    Boozer is far from being the 2nd best player on Duke.

    Dunleavy is much more quicker and athletic as some might think. NBADraft.net labeled him as a "wolf in sheep's clothing".

    He also has some of the best instincts in the college game today.
     
  15. Desert Scar

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    No I haven't seen them this year but I saw Duke a TON last year. And most people have been enamored with Dunleavy based on one game, the final game. Well, he sucked pretty much except for that last game and would have been the one Duke guy I would have left open going into that game.

    But for now I'll take your word for it Dunleavy's game has improved leaps and bounds from last year, because last year he certainly wasn't very good and by what you describe he has turned into an excellent player. I do nontheless doubt his insticts are better than Luke Walton's, it just Luke can't shoot a lick and thus is capped out at being a very good college role player. Walton may never get the range and consistency he needs to be a dominant college player, but his insticts, floor vision, and knowledge of the game are exceptional.
     
  16. kidrock8

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    Scar-Dunleavy is like night and day from last year to this year. He was the #3 guy after Williams and Battier, so that means he wasn't gonna have the freedom to create for himself or others.

    This year he is the #2 guy, giving him more freedom with the ball in his hands.

    I'd like to see Duke play again soon, so I can see if Dunleavy was just playing above his head or not.

    What stood out to me was his mid-range J off the dribble.

    His size/athleticism combination creates matchup problems for whoever is guarding him.

    I don't know if he or Dahntay Jones plays the PF position or not. I don't think Duke really has a prototype PF, just a tweener. Kind of like Battier at PF last year.

    I'd like to see what Dunleavy can do in the paint, since I don't remember what/if he did in the paint.

    Bob Kemp of Sporting News Radio said the other day that Dunleavy was the most impressive player thus far in college bball.
     
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    I liked what I saw from Boozer against UM . JWill shot too much but most of the time they found the net . Duhon takes a lot of wild shots But I like his energy . Dunleavy hasnt been any better than Luke Walton .
     
  19. idrockfan

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    Dunleavy is the second coming of Matt Bullard.
    Let's get him:D
     
  20. kidrock8

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    Wow.

    :eek:

    You must not notice that Walton has the athleticism of a slug.

    You must also not notice that Walton can only play around the elbow, whether its him making passes from there or shooting jumpers. He's a great passer, but he cannot put the ball on the floor to save his life.

    Dunleavy Jr can put it on the floor, and can obviously shoot it.

    Are you confused with Mike Dunleavy Sr.?
     

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