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[ESPN] Adande's Four Quarters: Thoughts on Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dback816, Nov 13, 2007.

  1. DaRock1

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    I didn't mean to diss you buddy...I just honestly believe that Tmac is as much an idol to you as what Yao is to Smitingpurple. You guys should know where each other is coming from.
     
  2. Murph23

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    We ain't on ESPN, and last time I checked, I wasn't color blind. :D

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  3. TheSummit

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    guys, I don't think it has to be one way or the other. When yao is on then post him up like we usually do and when teams find a way to stop him or front him effectively, we should go more motion. Yao is clearly capable of knockin down a jumpshot or two. I think there is a good mix of it once everyone gets comfortable with the motion offense.
     
  4. doublehh03

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    voila. that means => less time ON THE BALL. when you don't have the ball and constantly shifting positions => your defender not only waste energy, but the help defense can't really key on you so tmac has a lot of ways to attack i he does.

    and when tmac is moving and penetrates the paint, it wreaks havoc on the defense.

    this is the only way we can FORCE tmac to drive consistently. when he penetrates or puts his body in the paint, it opens up so much.

    that's why that tmac-yao pick and roll was killer. he got yao 3-4 straight dunks by bringing 2-3 ppl to him and opening yao up.

    EVERYONE and their mother knows we're a more dangerous team when tmac penetrates more, either to pass or score. and what better way to do that then put him on the move, and the help defense is slower to recover when he does drive => the opposing defense is effed up => more opportunities for the TEAM.
     
  5. doublehh03

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    i admit tmac is my fav player. but i respect yao A TON. i give props to yao when he does well and criticize him when he struggles (esp. not getting good position). but i criticize tmac the same way when he does not drive as much.

    this other dude gives zero credit or compliment nobody on this team outside of yao ming.

    hell, i've gone through some long discussions about francis should start over alston or should get some minutes.

    though tmac is my fav player, i really want this team to do well. when they do, tmac, yao, adelman... will get the credit they deserve.
     
  6. TheSummit

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    I was joking,lol

    I just have always cringed when Stu Scott uses Rap Lyrics in Highlight commentary, especially when it doesn't fit the context. It's like "look at me I'm black". The bling bling reference on a touchdown pass a few years ago set our whole race back.
     
  7. TheSummit

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    I understand. It gives our offense a dynamic that we didn't have last year. The whole point of motion is so the defense can't key in like Utah did. Especially when a team can guard Yao one on one with success like the Jazz did.
     
  8. doublehh03

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    stu tries TOO HARD to be black and ghetto. dude wants street cred, be himself. when i hear him try to "spit," he is simply embarrassing himself.
     
  9. TMc1

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    I's no doubt that Tmac is our best player in the team. But the fact is Tmac can't win a championship for us without YAO, just like Kobe struggled after the leave of Shark. I'm tired of hearing people comparing who is the best player. Every champion needs a best big bloke and a best swing person. Now we have both, the key is how to balance the two without any conflict. The games have already give us a answer: if Tmac could sacrifice himself a little bit to get YAO involved, Championship is not a dream.
     
  10. doublehh03

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    exactly. now if only tmac's sacrifices can help scola/james/rafer get better offensively :confused: . we really need those guys. tmac and yao are simply not enough in this tough west.
     
  11. DaRock1

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    Maybe he is an extreme case and not a good comparison. What gets to me is that you often defend Tmac at the expenses of dissing the other Rockets players. I have seen time after time that you criticized Yao because someone dared to criticize Tmac. It's always like...

    Poster A: Tmac didn't do this and that well enough...

    doublehh03: Look, Yao didn't do this and that well enough either...

    Can you see my point? Like what you have 'claimed', I love all the players too. And I wouldn't try to speak up for one Rocket by talking down another Rocket.

    Anyway, I am out of this debate...time to watch the game.
     
  12. jli

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    Liar !
     
  13. rockmanslim

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    I like Adande on ATH.

    And why such a big ruckus about who our best player is?

    When T-Mac is bricking and unwilling to penetrate to put pressure on the defense, getting pwned by Harpring, Walton, or (insert rugged white swingman who isn't afraid to mix it up), Yao has to put on the superman cape and carry us.

    When Yao is getting owned by Okur or Marion, T-Mac has to put on the cape and carry us.

    Different guys will have it on different nights. We need both to be at their best to have any shot at the ultimate goal.
     
  14. James23

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    I agree with Adande.

    In order for the Rockets to be a serious championship contender, the offense has to go through Yao, and he must dominate. Dominating means putting his defenders in foul trouble, forcing double team, finding open teammates, and most important of all scoring when his team needs points. So far, Yao hasn't been able to dominate consistently.

    Aldeman: put Yao at the low post more, about 75% of the time. Let him punish his opponents.
     
  15. metalshred

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    Yao is good, everyone knows. But it's just weird to me when i think that he has never had a single 50 pt game or even more than 1 40 point game. Is he "too" stable? Im not bashing Yao, i like the way he's playing and love the fact that he's stable, but....not even one more 40 point game?
     
  16. ParaSolid

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    Please tell me you are joking. I appreciate how you try to make your posts seem objective, but when you make comments like this it, it kinda gives you away. Maybe you should put the Yao goggles away for a second so you can see for yourself that McGrady is quicker, more aggressive, and most importantly, healthy this year.

    Yao is a great player, (a bona fide superstar, in fact) but I don't think anybody believes that he's better than T-Mac at this point. More consistent? Oh yeah. More efficient offensively? Check. But better? I don't think so,
     
  17. James23

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    Yao and Tmac are very good players, but they are NOT superstars. How could two superstars be not able to lead their team passed the first round of the playoffs?

    Yao can be better than Tmac if the coach and Tmac are willing to run the offense through the big man. Tmac should play the role of Magic Johnson while Yao plays Kareem. Bonzi is Big game James Worthy.
     
  18. demon77

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    The reason why he doesn't get over 40:

    1. Rocket is a good *team* with 2 superstar(If yao need to get over 40 points to win a game, then we might have a problem)

    2. Yao almost always get doubled, and he isn't a ball hog.

    ALL opposing team focus mainly on stopping Yao then anyone else on the rocket. (since his shot = $) T-mac can go off, but most team could careless since hes like kobe, a volume shooter.
     
  19. rockets-#1

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    What a dumbass. Adande has lost all credibility with me now.

    The Rockets have known to go to and have gone to Yao for a long time. 34 points? Right. T-Mac can't keep this up? Just stop.
     
  20. bingfei236

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    the problem is it is hard to yao get the more shot.

    tracy can easily get 30 shots if he want, but not yao,

    at his size, and the crowd low post, the high turnover should count when you can yao. plus, it has become the instinct for yao , when double team come, he passes the ball.


    so unless, yao become more dirty, more smart to fool referee. more determin to take the shot, that is no way yao can shot more for his career.

    it wasn't teammates foul, they did want to pass more to yao, but more yao get steal, more unwill to pass yao. that is nothing they can do, so as coach.


    ademan try to balance rocket, however, he should be notice that, when team have yao and tmc, balance is almost impossible. when player did not get the enough shot attmpts, they find the hard time to get the nich touch.
    ok, miss 2,3 times, they have to pass yao or tmc. that is the main reason why
    after game, we find why it is hard to find another double digit from player beside yao and tmc, which brings why we can't win like dollas, spurs...because we rely on two stars too much. take look at Tim duncn today, he score 3or 5 points, but team wins, nobody carry about how many points tim score now, the team wins. he still the leader.

    so, rocket has long way to go. fans age like me, we watch bulls game a lot, it is strange feel, no matter how many points down, we always though they will win. that is champion . when can rocket find it?
     

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