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"quote"-tino mobley: is it the coach or the playas?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by verse, Dec 12, 2001.

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  1. verse

    verse Member

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=211211010


    um, that sounds like a comment on the coaching of this team. being prepared is what coaches are held responsible for. also, factor in the rockets' pathetically chronic slow starts to games. that, also, is a reflection on coaching.

    i keep hearing how we have this "lack of talent" yadda yadda yadda.

    i disagree. teams with a lack of talent don't hang in games. they don't fight back in games to take the lead. but we do. then again, well coached teams don't consistently fall behind at the beginning of games.
     
  2. heypartner

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    Yeah that's right, Mobley likes to blame Rudy in public. :rolleyes:

    You are really reaching now verse.

    Have you stopped to think that we have had only 1 practice in 11 losses? We are second in the league in most games played. Rudy can't do a ******* thing with no practice. Even still, Monday he had a video practice and installed a 2-3. Did you not see a low post with 2 baseliners while we ran the pnr? We were not running a wing pnr with 3 weakside, on those possessions. Rudy is also working Mobley into the lowpost, why not, and we seem to have Torres learning all Walt's plays. That is with only a video practice.

    This is the "perfect storm." You can't change much without practice.

    r.e.l.a.x and enjoy Mobley's sweet, soft jumper and two glorious strips of Andre Miller, and Torres' quick, high release. The offense isn't going to see much change during a "perfect storm."
     
  3. verse

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    ah yea. i forgot.

    whenever an nba team has a heavy string of games, they are excused from being properly prepared for each game.

    how could i forget?
     
  4. heypartner

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    resorting to one-liners and misquoting players, 'eh. Your ZRB inner child is showing.

    Can we talk constructively instead of blame this/blame that, then say detracters of your theories are merely Rudy apologists? Do you even want to talk? Did you see anything different last night?

    verse, you are asking for a lot of change. Right or wrong, you can't make that change with no practice. What? Are you just going to talk about it on the team bus or on a chalkboard? These guys playing right now need practice to do all the things you propose. You're the one proposing change. What? Are you just going to pour a can of whoopass over their heads?

    If you want change, you are going to have to be patient in the middle of this "perfect storm."

    And there is no way Mobley has ever blamed these coaches in public; he is the last player who would do that. The whole premise of this thread reeks?
     
  5. verse

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    crisp,

    i don't believe his intentions are to publicly "rip" his coach. i just think he was honestly saying that they were not prepared going into this game.

    and how was i misquoting him?
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    I think you are misconstruing the quote. He did not say, "I don't we were ready for the game," he said, "I don't think we were ready at the start." Obviously, that implies that they were ready later in the game. What he is trying to say is the players didn't have their heads in the right place at tip-off and were only really focused later on in the game. That doesn't have anything to do with a coach's preparation. That's about the psyche of the players.
     
  7. verse

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    hmm.

    to be honest, that is a possibility. then again, it's also possible they weren't ready - at the outset - for what the cavs were going to do.


    JuanV,

    how do you explain our penchant for slow starts?


    P.S. thanx for the response in the other thread...
     
  8. heypartner

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    Your view does not jive with Mobley's personality at all, verse. That is why you are reaching. Logically reaching for signs of players blaming Rudy.

    You misquoted him, because you projected your own beliefs onto Mobley's quotes, just like you are doing in your other thread. You are saying that you know what Mobley was thinking, and you know what Behad should be thinking. Why not just say "Mobley and Behad should be thinking this." I'd be fine with that, because that is a matter of opinion.

    imo, I read that quote 180 degrees opposite to you, just like JV. I read Mobley saying the team was not "ready at the start" like "quick out of the gate," "ready to rumble," "firing on all cylinders," "mentally ready." etc, etc, etc. You are convinced that "ready at the start" means Mobley was saying they weren't prepared with a game plan that the coaches should have provided? Or is it just your opinion?
     
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    Bottom line, changes need to be made to our starting lineup.

    How many games in a row can our starters be blown away in the 1st quarter???? Thank god we have Tier, Oscar & others to bail them out.
     
  10. Desert Scar

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    How many changes can we make when we don't have an uninjured player over 6'4" (or under for that matter :D ) that would start for more than 2-3 other dregs in the league. We could start Torres, but what difference does that make because he is going to get about the same minutes and it just weakens the bench. The guys that should be gettign minutes are getting minutes, it is just most of the them are not very good relative to the competition.
     
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    How can the coaches prepare anyone without any practice time? And if they are so unprepared, how is that they manage to stage comebacks? If they were unprepared as you are trying to imply then they would just get blown out. These guys are professionals and are expected to motivate themselves. If a million plus isn't enough motivation, then I don't know what is. It's simply a matter of lack of talent. Let's not read into it more than what it is.
     
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    The current lineup is consistently getting blown out by every good (and bad) team in the league. It would be nice to show the same energy in the 1st quarter, that are subsitutions make in the 2nd!!!!
     
  13. verse

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    crispee,

    all i'm saying is that a team that is constantly starting off slowly (not just the past 11-12 games) is a team that is not properly prepared for that game. that can be a matter of playcalling. that can be a matter of psychologically being prepared for the game. that can be a # of factors, but - in the end - it is (one of) the coach's responsibilities to have his team prepared for that game.

    opposing coaches do occasionally throw wrinkles that are just flat out unexpected. that is excusable. but to consistently have the same things happen

    • poor clock management
      poor defensive rotation
      poor transition game (offensively)
      poor offensive execution TO START THE GAME
      poor "playcalling" (hot man not getting the damn ball!)

    are trademark signs of poor coaching.

    i realize what you're saying about the past 11-12 games being short on time. but do you realize that many of these problems have existed for the past 3 years?

    let me ask you this...why do we consistently misplay the pnr? why is it our big men never step out on the other side of the pnr to cut off the guard? these are not recent, new problems. these are problems that have existed for YEARS. since, oh i don't know, maybe since the rudy t era began. it's the single reason avery johnson, nick van exel, john stockton, gary payton, etc. always had huge offensive games against us.

    as far as mobley's quote, i'm not saying that he's trying to publicly speak out against rudy. i'm saying that if they were not ready...for whatever reason...you need to look at the coach.

    that is my opinion.
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    As for defending the pick and roll: Rudy was asked about it once, back when it was important because the Jazz were contending. He said the Rockets defend it differently from every other team in the league. He said that, by the percentages, he thinks his way is better. It's not like he hasn't noticed his defense on the p&r is different -- he does it on purpose. He may turn out he's wrong about the percentages, but I'd rather trust Rudy being wrong on that than a fan being right (other coaches can second-guess that strategy). He has studied the issue and made his decision on how to guard it.
     

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