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Calling all sane people...end the Reefer Madness already

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by zilches, Oct 31, 2007.

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    I'm not quite sure if I'm following you, or if something is getting lost in the internet translation. It was funny though..lol...

    My point is:

    Name calling (like people on this board calling Rafer names like Reefer, and Gayfer) is ridiculously stupid.

    If people dont like Alston, fine. So be it....but resorting to name calling is classless.
     
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    its all they have b/c a well formed basketball argument is hard for them...especially without having to resort to the most simple knock, i.e. he cant score
     
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    Well sir, then you really need to rewatch Turiaf get his dunks because Rafer is too weak to fight through picks. Not only that, on one play Chuck hayes stepped out to cover Kobe (like he should of) problem was that Rafer decided to follow around Kobe also. Best part of that play was that even though Rafer was completely wrong on that play, he was so embarrassed on the play he put his hands up and started screaming at Hayes. Like I said, Rafer is crap on D and crap on O. In crunch time he doesn't run the offense, he is a lifetime 2 rebounds a game guy, so he wont always get you those boards. So what was the point of using Rafer.




    I have made mention of Battier/Chuck/Alston. I can live with Battier, because he will hit the 3's, play great Defense, and not take terrible shots and miss them them all game long. Chuck Hayes can't hit a shot unless TMac gift wraps him under the basket for a freebie, and Rafer is allowed to run around all game long with no man on him. That is why the starting 5 HAS TO CHANGE. It was very appearant how to play the rox. Sag to TMac and Yao. You only have to really worry about Shane maybe hitting some three's.
     
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    I noticed this in the preseason. People see what they want to see. It doesn't matter if it's a good shot or not ... when James shoots, it's selfish. When Rafer shoots, it's within the flow of the offense -- what his teammates and coach wanted him to do.

    Mike James is absolutely fine running the offense in the halfcourt. He swings the ball around, he makes post passes, he defers to T-Mac and spots up behind the three-point line as you stated. He shoots more than Rafer because he has more offensive skills than Rafer... I don't think anyone should argue that.

    Where Rafer has him beat so far is running the fast break. One thing Mike James hasn't done very well is spot Tracy McGrady for alleyoops on the break. There were two in the preseason that I saw where James missed T-Mac leading the break (ironically James got a three-point play on one) and spotted another last night in the opener (James instead found Yao trailing for a slam).

    Last night was one game -- I wouldn't jump to conclusions on it anymore than I would Rafer's "good" preseason. In this one, Rafer was not good. James was pretty good. There will be others where it's the opposite, and we'll see "James is a ballhog x 1 million!!!1" and "This is why Rafer is a starter" threads.

    But the bottom line is Rafer is still Rafer. He is still unreliable. Having guys like Bonzi Wells and Mike James take some of his shots and playing time is going be a boost, but when your main competitors have Steve Nash/Leandro Barbosa, Tony Parker, Jason Terry/Devin Harris and Deron Williams -- not to mention Allen Iverson, Chris Paul and Baron Davis -- it should trouble you.
     
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    greatest post in the history of the GARM.

    seriously.
     
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    Woow this just became a wake up call for me. Fisher made Rafer his biatch and that's the easiest matchup he may get all season. Come on Stevie SHAPE UP PLEASE!
     
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    Upon reflection, I do agree with you. It was stupid and classless as you say.

    Still, I wish Rafer a teriffic career on another team and legalization soon.
     
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    Rafer's play was disappointing.
    Adelman likes him though so that's all that matters until Rafer starts costing us some wins...like what almost happened last night.

    He does push the ball up the court fast and when T-Mac and Yao are in the groove, everything is roses. But when T-Mac & Yao are covered and getting doubled, our offense under Rafer goes in the crapper.
     
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    I meant to write "propaganda"...bah. Spelling fart.

    I wouldnt be mad at a Rafer trade, although while he is here I'm ok with it.

    I dont smoke, but I wouldnt be mad at a legalization either...lol...The governator seems to be working on that.
     
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    Fret Not: Rafer will gravitate deep on the bench

    Fret Not: Rafer will gravitate deep on the bench

    As I've thought all along, Mike James will become the Rockets starting PG and will simply outplay Rafer Alston and Francis will ascend to the PG off of the bench because of his all around better athleticism, ability to penentrate and draw fouls, better jump shot and Francis will play better in the clutch IMO.

    Rafer's dumb passes in the Laker game, also allowing himself to get trapped in the corners of the court only to lose the ball, his pathetic "teardrop" on the few times he does penetrate the lane will all be his demise and will send him down the depth chart where he rightfully belongs. Rafer will be a decent change of pace guard, and insurance if MJ or Francis gets into foul trouble but I believe Francis has got to know once he gets a better grasp of the offense, which Rafer has now, he can beat Rafer out of the #2 PG job behind MJ who should start right now.
     
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    First game, new offense... everyone is going to be rusty.
     
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    :furiouslyslammingheadondesk
     
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    I thought that we had banished his tear drop forever from his arsenal. I thought we killed it.

    I hate it.
     
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    Rafer did have some frustrating plays. Particularly that goddamned teardrop. Mike James looked good and I like having him come off the bench.

    I think some of us need to prepare for the eventuality that Steve Francis is not going to be a major part of this team.
     
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    We DO NOT need another offensive option when starting games. We need MJ to come off the bench and give us that punch, which went as planned.
     
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    wow another Rafer bashing thread

    Rafer had a decent game other than a few mistakes and 1 teardrop not 10 like everyone acts like he takes

    dude still need to make his shots though but overall I thought he had a decent game
     
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    Maybe we should bench T-Mac too. He also was choking down the stretch, turned the ball over, and took numerous stupid shots. Scola played terrible, maybe we should go ahead and send him back to Argentenia. James dribbled, dribbled, and dribbled and made several horrible passes and shots.

    It is one game and everyone had the jitters. You are just a Francis succophant and rafer hater. If Rafer doesn't turn it around and Francis and James play better, then Adelmann will make changes. That is what puts him head and shoulders above Van Grumpy.
     
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    It's just funny for people to suggest that Francis is the answer to cutting down on turn overs or improving outside shooting. Some of you are so dead set on getting rid of Rafer that you are blind to the fact that our other options are worse. Do you really think JVG and Adelman start Rafer because they like his personality or something? I mean it isn't like we are having a voting contest and anything we say here has any effect on who actually is going to get playing time.

    If the Rockets can trade for a better PG then by all means do it, but no one is going to trade us a better PG in exchange for Rafer... So who exactly are you wanting to give up and what do you expect to get in return? I mean we would all prefer to have Tony Parker or Deron Williams or Steve Nash here, but let's get realistic.
     
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    unfortunately this will fall on deaf ears.
     
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    Adelman likes rafer even know he turned the ball over a few times. He likes rafer because rafer pushes the ball up the floor with a outlet pass or with the dribble. James is good when you need offense but if hs shots off he doesn't push the bsketball like rafer. It's rafers unslefish energy that coaches appreciate about rafers game it aint about the points or his few silly mistakes,it's about the positive eneergy he brings into the game adn how it effects the other 4 guys.




    This is a TEAM game it aint about our favorite players it's about who's most effective with 4 other guys. It's a reason francis didn't crack the rotation in new york and why he ws traded from orlando. This game is a TEAM game and if your attitude on how you approach the game is ME FIRST the coaches defintely pick these signals up and their judgement we should probably trust since they are hands on with the experience.




    Steve needs to keep a positive attitude and take time to evaluate his game and get better with the time he is sitting there on the bench. It aint about the fact that he is pouting and not cheering his TEAM,It's his attitude that he isn't paying attention to the details of the game,studying his craft and him not trying to find away to improve. Steve has to realize that his game has flaws and at least he can do is pay attention to the game and styudy what he may be doing wrong and find away to improve and fit into the TEAM game plan. Don't just sit there and ignore your craft,take notes on what you can do to get better. He's ego is telling him he doesn't need to get better and that is the problem.
     

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