I think going farther in a kiddie conference doesn't mean much when your conference champs practically got raped by ours. Any of our first rounders could be a conference finals team on the East.
nets wouldn't even make the playoffs out west. the rockets were ok in getting rid of boki, as was new orleans. some players just take a long ass time to develop and there comes a point where you move on. i'd take boki now sure, but i definitely felt no regrets having david wesley and watching the rockets roll into the playoffs in 05.
I thought Boki's 35 points was impressive until I saw that Louis Williams on Philly scored 33 points and remembered that this was pre-season.
Uh, I watched JJ play and he could not guard NBA SG's at that point in his career, which is why he spent 87.5% of his time at SF for the games he was with the Rockets that season according to 82 games.com. The need for an SF was for what, the 5 minutes a night that Tracy was out? Judging them both in their second season? Absolutely. Head was a deadeye, volume shooter by his second season. Nachbar was pretty much horrible in all aspects until his 5th season, which is why two teams gave up on him.
you do know that on 82games.com jj automatically counted as a sf when he was on the floor with t-mac even if he played sg? that's how their system works as far as i know and that's why you should be carefull with this numbers. in my book jj was guarding sgs a lot of times and he was doing good most of the time. it was obvious, though, that he was not quick enough anymore to stay in front of the top athletes playing at the two spot. it always was the goal of jvg to have someone who could guard the best perimeter player on the other team. jj tried and was pretty good when he played against players he could match up with speed wise. but he wasn't the ultimate solution so we traded for wesley who was a little more solid defensively but only was a near future solution.
Sorry but that's just not correct. if search were turned on, I could go back and dig up the old articles and interviews w/Tracy and JVG saying how the move to SF from SG helped him JJ did not play SG with the Rockets much at all, either in 2005 or in 2004. He was an SF next to Mobley. Then hew as an SF next to McGrady. That's the simple truth. And JJ was not a good match up vs. either SG's or SF's, one of the reasons why he was traded. Check the stats and see that opposing SG's completely lit him up AND shut him down on the rare occasions when he pplayed SG (-10 net PER)
I still don't get how it matters what the position is called. Somebody is going to play with T-Mac at the wing, whether he is called SG or SF. And I can understand that the guy who plays with T-Mac needs to be able to guard the faster guy on the other team to save T-Mac's energy. It is true that JJ was not quick at that stage of his career. But Wesley was any better? I remember Wesley constantly got abused at the defensive end. The only thing Wesley did better than JJ was that he move the ball faster than JJ. Wesley was also a little more consistent with his shot. JJ tended to hold the ball for too long and bogged down the offense. But that has nothing to do with the SG/SF stuff. EVerybody knows the 2nd year Head is better than the 2nd year Nachbar. I meant to ask you, knowing how these two players turned out so far, would you rather have Head or Nachbar? If search were turned on, I could go back and dig up the old articles where JVG said SF and SG were no difference.
On defense? Substantially. Jackson gave up around a 20 PER to opposing SG's - Wesley gave up about 15. Well, every NBA GM and coach would say the guy who was productive in his 2nd year over the guy who was productive after 5 years - so I am going to stick to my previous answer. Evidently it did make a difference. See the 04-05 Rockets for more details.
Even though I don't believe it makes any difference calling a wing player a SG or a SF. Let's play along with your reasoning. Wesley was SG and T-Mac was SF when they played together. JJ was SF and T-Mac was SG when they played together. Here according to 82games: Defensively Wesley's PER allowed as SG was 15. JJ's PER allowed as SF was 10. T-Mac's PER allowed as SG was 13. T-Mac's PER allowed as SF was 13 How was having Wesley better than having JJ defensively? Offensively Wesley's PER as SG was 12. JJ's PER as SF was 11. T-Mac's PER as SG was 21. T-Mac's PER as SF was 26. Having Wesley did help the offense. Wesley and JJ's PERs offensively were about the same. The difference is in T-Mac's performance. But the stats does not tell us why. It could be (1) T-Mac was fresher because he didn't have to guard SG; or it could be (2) Wesley's style (not holding the ball long) fit better with T-Mac, which has nothing to do with the SG/SF positions. The second year Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury were all much more productive than the second year Steve Nash.
those defensive stats are pretty much flawed because the data is taken out of game logs with predetermined positions for different player combinations. that's what i was talking about. i agree that jim jackson was not a good matchup against the top athletes on the perimeter. he was pretty solid against everyone else in my book. but ultimately jvg wanted to take pressure off of t-mac defensively and jimmy couldn't help there anymore. wesley was over the hills also but given that he always was a very strong combo guard he had a little more speed to offer (additionally to other aspects offensively).
I thought we acquired Wesley by trading JJ and boki was merely a superfluous throw in we were just giving away because we were anxious to move him. I may be totally offbase here, but that was just my impression.
It is more than an impression it is the truth.....WOOT Punk the naysayers cause they don't know a thing !! DD
Wow, I was impressed by those Youtube highlights. I'll repeat WOW. Those dunks were spectacular. I guess Rudy T knew what he was doing when he drafted Boki. But, JVG didn't see a place for him on his team. JVG wanted seasoned guys who he didn't have to teach the game to. He wanted Chess pieces that knew what they were supposed to do and do what was asked by JVG. It's a shame there was so much hype for him when he became a Rocket. A lot of fans who wanted him to do well. Now he is doing well and it's for another team. But it's all water under the bridge now. Flowed somewhere else.
Look samfisher and co can argue and argue that boki was complete garbage during his tenure with the rockets and i won't even attempt to refute it. What I know beyond a doubt is that he should definitely have been given the same opportunity that jvg gave a 45 yr old charles oakley, 40 yr old charlie ward, and a 65 yr old mark jackson. His upside was definitely greater than any of the aforementioned three.
To be fair, JVG did give Boki chances and he didn't do good. Some players just bloom slower than others. Steve Nash is an example, on a higher talent level. In Boki's case, it was a combination of him not having confidence early on, and JVG's system not being good for his style of game. It was clear that after a while, JVG saw no value in him. My whole argument with SamFisher is that David Wesley was not a much better, if at all, as an individual player than Jim Jackson. Throwing in Boki is a clear indication that the Rockets did not see much value in him. What bothers me is that these people still diss Boki as if he is still some kind of garbage.
