From that link... I haven't watched the video, but isn't that what the driver was asking the cop to do?
To the argument that the guy baited the cop into this: How many dope/prostitution/child indecency/thievery setups have the police run? You know, where they leave a bicycle unsecured on a busy street corner and hide in waiting until someone jumps on, only to come barreling out with a freaking SWAT team and a pair of handcuffs... Honey traps like these are so common, there's a slang term used by dope dealers: "jump-out boys" If it's okay to convict someone on a charge that wouldn't have happened without a little situational persuasion, it's okay to fire this dick for the same.
he didn't commit a crime at all, actually. And while it may be CLEAR to you that he set out to get his attention and ire, it seems CLEAR to me that the guy with the camera had a very good reason to believe that any officer he encountered would likely meet discourtesy with malfeasance. It seems CLEAR that he, or someone he knew of had been harassed and perhaps even jailed by the local police for dubious reasons. See, I can fabricate a backstory on nothing too. The only things we know are this: The camera guy got pulled over, he was not courteous, the police officer threatened to fabricate charges and throw the kid in jail. Honestly, who cares what the camera guy did - what the police officer did was pretty terrible. At the very least, this police officer should be summarily dismissed, and perhaps a look into some of his past arrests should be considered. Especially ones where the officer had to physically restrain someone, or gave someone a little stick time.
This comes up EVERYTIME they do something wrong Did they not read the job description? If a garbage man complains about the smell . . .. . WELL .. that is what you signed up for?!! IF you cannot handle it. . . get a new job! It is a repeated excuse for police officer bad behavior Rocket River
what disturbs me most is that the cop was willing to MAKE UP charges to arrest the guy. if the guy didn't have a recorder, it's VERY difficult to dispute the word of a cop without witnesses. cops are professionals, they should be expected to handle a person with an attitude. I have a friend that's a cop in an inner city and gets yelled and taught at all the time. he just waits for them to do something like spit then fine them. but having a cop lie about a felony? that's just disturbing.
I can't believe people try to use this defense. These guys have all these stresses so we should give them a break. RR gives a perfect example in the garbage men. I mean when you sign up for jobs you pretty much know what you're going to face and what you could face, it doesn't give you a right to abuse the power that comes with your position. At my job, I can change passwords on computers of everybody in the company. I have various stressors on my job as well. Maybe I should just take it out on everybody else if I cannot cut it one day.
that would be wrong - you are not required to show a cop an id if he just walks up and demands it. maybe a lawyer-person can chime in and correct me, but im pretty sure cops cant request "papers" on demand.
well that sucks. i suppose it is a post 9/11 world we live in. but, as it says here... In Brown v. Texas, 443 U.S. 47 (1979), the Court struck down Texas's stop-and-identify law as violating the Fourth Amendment because it allowed police officers to stop individuals without "specific, objective facts establishing reasonable suspicion to believe the suspect was involved in criminal activity."
I hate cops. They are no good ass holy ****! somebody is stealing my car! I have to go call the police1
Revenge is sweet. The Miami cop killer was found blown away by SWAT bullets in a bathroom stall. http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/238393.html Nice scars on the face of his nephew who helped him evade. I wonder how he fell.
Wasting police resources? Who pulled over who in this situation? Instead of fighting real crime, he pulls over a kid parked in a Taco Bell parking lot. So what if he was provoking him and being a "dick" (which I disagree). You guys are telling me that gives the Cop a right to fabricate a charge and take him into jail? Imagine if the guy never had a camera, he'd probably be sitting in jail on a bullcrap charge while the Cop gets off free. Then he proceeds to go on and puts more innocent people behind bars whenever they ask, "What did I do wrong?". I just can't believe that most of you are talking about the guy being a "dick" instead of looking at the more important and bigger picture where the Cop threatens to make up a charge and take him in. Do yall seriously think he's the only Cop out there that does this? One got busted but I'm sure theres plently of other Cops that use this same tactic. Sorry, but there is no way in hell to justify the Cop's action.
no you are wrong It was ignored in the rush to bad mouth every cop in existence, but I posted on page 2 a Supreme Court decision regarding this, it got no comment. The way I read it, the SC upheld the stop and identify thing, but in case I didnt read it right, I asked our resident lawyers to check it and see.
I think the supreme court decision said that on a stop-and-identify stop, you don't have to show your id, just give your name. That's what i take from it anyway.
R2K, I'm no lawyer, but I disagree with your interpretation of that case. Two important details stick out to me. 1) Police can't demand ID for no good reason. "These familiar concerns underlay Kolender, Brown, and Papachristou. They are met by the requirement that a Terry stop be justified at its inception and be “reasonably related in scope to the circumstances which justified” the initial stop. Terry, 392 U.S., at 20. Under those principles, an officer may not arrest a suspect for failure to identify himself if the identification request is not reasonably related to the circumstances justifying the stop." In the Wiki article on the Hiibel case you linked to, it was detailed that the officer informed the suspect that he was investigating an assault crime for which Hiibel fit the bill as the assailant. That sounds like a good reason. 2) A driver's license or other legal ID is not required. Just a name. "In contrast to the “credible and reliable” identification requirement in Kolender, the Nevada Supreme Court has interpreted the instant statute to require only that a suspect disclose his name. It apparently does not require him to produce a driver’s license or any other document. If he chooses either to state his name or communicate it to the officer by other means, the statute is satisfied and no violation occurs." Granted, I'm not a lawyer, but it doesn't seem to me that a random "show me your ID because I said so" is legal.
chrisp did a better job breaking that down than i could in post #98. as he said, that cop had a legitimate reason to request his id. it was different than just going up to a parked car and demanding id. i was a passenger in a car which got pulled over for speeding a couple years ago and the first thing the cop did was say "give me everyones drivers licence". i asked why he wanted mine when i wasnt driving and he yelled at me (not as bad as the cop on video did) and said he wanted to make sure we didnt have warrants. i told him i didnt and he yelled at me some more, but than left me alone. i did give him my name b/c im a nice guy, but i didnt give him my license. and no, asking why the cop wanted my id doesnt make me a "dick", as many here seem to think.
Cops should treat folx like they want to be treated and vice versa The threat to MAKE UP charges bothers me most because. . i don't think it is a empty threat .. . i think he would actually do it Let's sat he is a just .1 Percent of cops . . .that is too many Rocket River
