You forgot to add that he threw for a TD as well. Damn, even when you stop that guy, you really arent stopping him. Dude is unreal.
if the anti-VY'ers would just admit they are wrong all this would end. Its that simple. Going to have to do it eventually, might as well be now.
if only baby vince was san diego's QB... i sincerely can't wait for travis henry to post career highs this year so we can start proclaiming jay cutler makes running backs better. because right now, henry, who's career was saved by baby vince, is on a 2,200-yard pace at 6 yards a carry in denver. btw, no one has yet to adequately explain how a RUNNING qb makes a rb better. i have admitted and will again if evidence overwhelms, that my experience with a runnign qb is limited. but it would seem, common sensically, that a running qb would actually CLOG running lanes: LBs not dropping back into coverage, safeties coming up to the line of scrimmage, spies in the backfield on every play... i looked at steve young's seven years as a starter with the 49ers; they didn't have a 1,000 rusher in 4 of them, and only once did a back post a career high in yards gained. and young is, i believe, the highest-ranked rushing QB in nfl history. if you wanted to argue it opened up the passing game, that, intellectually, i could wrap my head around. but i don't see how keeping players closer to the line of scrimmage makes it easier for a running back.
i'll admit that Carr was a huge problem, and VY would have been a definite upgrade. but i'm not gonna say VY would have been the solution.
Frankly, from what I've seen of Schaub so far, I'd rather have him than Vince. And I'm honestly NOT saying that because I "hate" Vince either. I actually like Vince (even though I hate his team). The same way I like Jeff Fisher (even though I hate his team).
I watched that game. Chicago's primary objective defense was to stop LT. They were all over him at the beginning of the game - he was getting absolutely stuffed, nailed, smothered, (insert adjective of your choice here...). All he did was to keep pounding away at the Bears defense until things turned his way later in the game. You are right: Dude is unreal...
Silly, it's about his mystical powers to make others better by sheer will, fire, and determination, not about the physical configuration of players on the field. For instance, LenDale White showed up to camp last year fat and relatively unconditioned (if-irc). Two more weeks of Vince, and he should be Eric Dickerson reincarnated.
(and you wonder why i poo-poo "leadership." it's been co-opted and bastardized so many times over, it no longer means anything. win and you're a leader.)
And I guess the system won't have anything to do with that either? Other posters (Major I believe) have provided tons of evidence describing the theory of how a running QB can attract more attention and take pressure off a RB, and evidence showing how RB's playing with VY have posted better numbers with him under center. You just dismiss it all as coincidence and choose not to believe the explanations. I'm convinced that you and others are at the point where no ones mind will change, so what is the point of even continuing the debate or asking for evidence (that you will probably also dismiss)? However, the more games the Titans win this season the less ammo you will have to fuel your hatred, lol..... West Coast Offense is built around controlling the game with short passes. That's also a silly comparison because the 49ers also had Rice, the TE and countless others on offense that the Titans obviously do not have. They were a SB team before Steve Young got under center, right? How does that even compare to VY's situation? How about you go back and look at what the other poster provided, showing that practically ever RB that played with VY had an improvement in his numbers, since statistics are the holy grail with you. Can you not dispute those numbers so you have to bring in a diff QB on a diff team? And again, you ignore all the data which showed how the RB's were better with VY under center. What is the point of continuing to provide support that you dismiss as a coincidence?
People, people, people... Let's not make a decision until year 3. Mario could very well be a late-bloomer. Reggie Bush could very well be overhyped. Vince Young...well...he's awesome
I know I'm oversimplifying an entire thread, but let's wait until he posts a QB rating of higher than 66 before we declare him awesome.
This reminds me of a note I wrote on Facebook a while back. Yup. I think when we had VINCE YOUNG DAY, it was pretty obvious who Houston actually wanted. I actually read something on ESPN that mentioned how we all ACTUALLY wanted Vince Young and not Reggie Bush. Young to Johnson or Young to Jones quite possibly would have made me a Texans fan (GO EAGLES!). Too bad! Oh, what the hell, I'll post this again:
Actually, this is not an oversimplification. Sums the entire thing up perfectly. VY finished last year with the third worst QB rating in the league. At least Matt Leinart had a poor OL for an excuse. Nobody's saying that VY will never be good ... he has otherworldly physical talent and might someday lead his team to the superbowl ... and if he develops his talent like he can, he'll go to the hall of fame. The point is, as of right now, VY sucks. This is the reality that Baby Vince worshippers find it so difficult to wrap their minds around. And exhibiting typical symptoms of cognitive dissonance, they instead invent theories and find ways to convince themselves that he does not, in fact, suck. Hence all these quack hypotheses about how he mystically transforms mediocre tailbacks into 1500 yard rushers, inspires his defense to numerous forced turnovers and interception returns for touchdowns, etc. etc.
(Correction to the last post -- he had the 4th worst rating in the league among qualified quarterbacks).
Not seen "running QBs" (for this discussion, I'm assuming we are talking about passers that can run instead of pure option QBs) as much in the NFL as with college, but the games of VY's I've seen in college and the NFL (only against Texans), he helps the running backs with yards per carry, but does limit some carries. 1) The Spy is on the QB and not on the RB. This generally takes out the SS or a LB from defending the RB for a steo or two. 2) Containment is a much bigger issue. LBs and defensive linemen generally can't overpursue the RB in case the QB kept the ball. So, there may be more in the box, but less of them are keying on the RB. 3) Formations with a running QB generally force a team into pass protection defenses that are spread out. In a three wide receiver set, a nickel back comes into replace a LB. With one run defender taken out already by formation, the spy is forced to make a quick decision on whether it is a draw to RB, a pass, or a QB keeper. This generally doesn't help a big RB, but a quick RB can be through the hole before the spy reacts. On SF, could their lack of a 1000 yd rusher have been because Hearst couldn't finish a season? Garner was good, but i think SF prefered to dump it off to him instead of just giving him the ball. Not a big SF fan so I can't be sure, but I believe Steve Young was only an opportunistic runner who used his passing ability to make him running lanes. he was a good enough of a runner to take advantage of it. VY does the opposite in that he uses his running strength to draw defenders to him instead of the RB and his receivers. This has not yet paid dividends for VY's passing stats in the NFL unless you factor in that he wouldn't even have passing stats if he couldn't run.
