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why we stay in Iraq, and when we will leave. The answer is

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  1. pppbigppp

    pppbigppp Member

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    This is an analysis of the Iraq situation, from an economic perspective. It had dawned on me that economic perspective remains the only one, in which the current deadlock formulated by all parties, can be explained logically.

    All of this is based entirely on my opinion and observation.

    From the onset of the Iraq occupation, the officially stated goals of the administration had reduce from WMD, Saddam (got him!), link to Al Qaeda, freedom, to democracy. But now even the officials themselves are tempted to remove democracy from the list[1]. While stability, which was not suppose to be an issue (according to some in Washington), became the dominant concern. Of course, we still seem to care about the pottery barn rule, so Al Qaeda, angry ethically-divided population, insurgent, or what not, are there to keep us occupy for the mean time.

    Even if Bush doesn't care about polling numbers, the pro-war politicians surely had felt the growing pressure and sentiment from the citizen at home. The occupation had gone on for four years, three years longer than the original estimate. It is important to have time on your side, because that is one hell of an enemy who literally grows stronger every second.

    But there is a dominant reason, one that is not discuss on any main stream media, for our seemly selfless, yet increasingly foolish Iraq commitment. What keeps the US army in Iraq is oil, and the fact that it doesn’t belong to our corporations, yet. OK, so maybe not so selfless nor foolish after all.

    Currently, the whole ordeal centers around the Iraq draft oil legislation (Iraqi Oil and Gas (Hydrocarbon) Law). Basically it boils down to privatization of a majority of Iraq’s oil fields, with conditions favorable to the players of the “free” market. The majority of the profit is not mandated to circulate within Iraq, and does can and will be siphon right out of the god forsaken land.

    The actual text of the law can be found here [2]. There are several good analysis and commentary on the web [3].

    The trouble with this law, which has been an open secret for about two years, is that it still has not passed. This does not bode well for those who deeply regard the within grasp, but yet out of reach economic victory.

    [4] news conference, Aug, 21, 2007

    So why is the law not signed? Well, it is because the Iraqi government is not completely stupid. Somehow it sees through the politics and concludes that its survival depends on support from US force. Once the law is signed, US would likely yield to domestic pressure and start reducing boots on the ground. Thus, US will pull out shortly after the passage of the oil law There is simply too little incentive to commit our resource to keep someone else’s act together, when there is nothing we could gain. Armed force presence will be limited to the privatized oil fields, since it is very important to keep the oil flowing.

    Al-Maliki “supports” the law from the very beginning, he is somehow able to stall the government from actually inking the deal. A cunning fellow he is.

    On the other hand, until the law is signed, US cannot withdraw military support to the Iraqi government. If the government collapses, then there is no legitimate authority to sign away Iraq’s natural resource. We do not have enough political capital to hold another election, so we are stuck with what’s built. This strange catch-22 is precisely the reason why our military is in Iraq, today.

    By the way, if you pay a bit of attention, you would notice the timing of the military surge, the 6-month wait-and-see period, the promise Al-Maliki made regarding the time requires to sign the draft, all goes very well together.

    But we live in an interesting time, because now it’s another turning point period where inaction yields to politics. After 6 months, time runs dry, law has not been signed, and everyone start talking again. And they start to crank up their voice because dissatisfaction runs through everyone’s vein. We are going to see some interesting development in the near future[5].

    Remember prior to the eminent invasion, the blood for oil chant? Well, so as it turns out, there is a lot of truth there. Some people are able to seem through the other bull**** much earlier. It was not even one of the official reasons, although the administration has never been shy about oil revenue that could be direct to reconstruction and more importantly, how it can booster the “free” market.

    Let's ignore the moral implication for a second; the invasion makes a lot of sense from an economic perspective. The US utilizes its military, an one-of-kind local resource that cost considerable upkeep, to acquire a vital resource. What went wrong is that we try to impose democratic institution in Iraq at the same time.

    When we re-built the war torn Japan and Germany through the generous Marshall Plan, we achieved the political objective in expense of our economy. It turns out great because the long term economical benefit far out weights any short term gain we could had otherwise. These regions stabilized quickly and remain as our allies today.

    Unfortunately, economic objective and political objective are not entirely compatible. By going after these two contradictory goals simultaneously, US managed to achieve neither thus far.


    [1]
    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/22/iraq.democracy/index.html#cnnSTCText

    [2]
    http://priceofoil.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Iraqoillaw021507.pdf

    [3]
    http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2007/0819opposeoil.htm
    http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2007/0809uniteoil.htm
    http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2007/0717slick.htm

    [4]
    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/21/bush.iraq/index.html

    [5]
    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/26/iraq.main/index.html
    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=13600



    Sorry for the long rant. Read the bolded part only if you don’t have the time. :D
     
  2. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    Thanks for the very interesting articles about the attempts to privatize the Iraqi oil and lock them into the type of contracts with the major oil companies that no one else even in the Middle East is giving them.
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    Interesting that the opposition to the new oil law cuts across all ethnic groups and even two of the three Iraqis who helped draft the law are against it.

    It would seem that this type of contract could be ovewrturned due to duress with the US occupiers doing things like threatening to stop supporting the government if they don't approve it.
     
  3. ymc

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    But there is also a problem here if we leave after they pass the law. The government will collapse. The new government will then invalidate the law. So it doesn't make sense to leave at all.

    My conclusion is that we will force them to pass the law. Once that happens, we will still remain there until there are no more oil left. :eek:
     
  4. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Get over it guys. We will never leave unless we get our butts handed to us. How long did it take for us to leave Japan, Germany, and Korea. The answer is that we are still there, and will continue to be there for the forseeable future.
     
  5. ymc

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    I think it depends on the cost and benefit. Didn't we leave Vietnam?

    If the insurgents can keep inflicting pain like it has been doing for 10 years, we might withdraw because we are running out of volunteering soldiers.
     
  6. pppbigppp

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    This is not true. A new government can change the law to prohibit future privatization, but it can not do much on deals that already existed. One historical example would be the ownership of HK. It remains a British subject after the communists drove out the nationalists.

    The new government can try to re-nationalize its oil fields. But it has nothing on the US arm force that will be there to ensure the oil flow.

    To the decision makers, it's all about cost and benefit. Think of it as an investment that has yet to mature.
     
  7. ymc

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    Well, it depends on whether the new government have the balls and power to do so.

    Your Hong Kong example is not valid because neither the communists or KMT (actually the treaty was between Qing Empire and British Empire) has the balls and power to fight the Brits.

    But in 1984, Deng Xiaoping had the balls to call for Hong Kong's return (in the treaty, Hong Kong Island and Kowloon were permanently ceded to UK, so UK didn't have to return them. Thatcher even thought about fighting the commies but due to practical reasons, she gave up), he did it and he succeeded.
     
  8. Ottomaton

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    Actually it is a mater of strength and willpower. Russia forced a 'rewrite' which kicked foreigners out of the Sakhalin oil field deals by finding some invented contractual default by foreign companies. Chavez has forced new deals with all foreign oil companies on threat of nationalization. Mossadeq in Iran in the 1950's nationalized the hell out of BP oil in Iran in spite of ironclad existing deals.

    If China had wanted to start a war over HK, they could have invalidated the preexisting deals and invaded and called it legal, and if they had won it would have been. That is the magic power of governments.
     
  9. pppbigppp

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    both of you, that is exactly what I meant by this part

    In the foreseeable, any Iraq government can have the balls to force the issue. But the US force and mercenaries will be there to cut them off.
     
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    how can I edit my post? I really need to start using the preview button :confused:
     
  11. ymc

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    Well, if that's the case, doesn't that mean we will be there until the oil run dry? Doesn't that validate my point? :confused:
     
  12. pppbigppp

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    I'm not too sure what your point is, but let me clarify my position again. Once the oil law is signed, US will withdraw the vast majority of its force. That is what the public will perceive as the pull-out. But for one reason or another, there will be just enough troops left behind to guard the oil fields, or corporal asset. So yes troops remain in Iraq, except there will only be a handful of them stationed for a very different purpose.

    Our commitment to the current Iraq government will die out due to lack of incentive. Anything could happen to Iraq once the ground troop pulls out, but we won't care as long as the oil is being siphoned.
     
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    what are you talking about? We're getting our butts handed to us.
     
  14. lost_ball

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    the answer is
    Iraq is the 51 state of United States of America
     
  15. ymc

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    Actually I think by doing that in the open will actually solve the Iraq problem. We get their oil and then fund a big mercenary to keep peace over there. Then we let them vote for independence once they have a stable economy with a low unemployment rate.

    If we are greedy, we can just keep them in forever and colonize it like what we did to Hawaii.

    Ultimately, this will be the solution that saves the most lives. :cool:
     
  16. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I think you might be taking the BBS too seriously when you start footnoting your posts. ;)
     
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    Terrible idea, you let all the Iraqis have citizenship and next thing you know there are car bombs and IEDs popping up in washington DC.

    Not saying Iraqis are bad but, c'mon. You're just inviting trouble by letting them have citizenship (which means they can travel freely to the states).
     
  18. ymc

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    Well we can create a second class citizenship that has restrictions, a la Puerto Rico. If we go imperial, we might as well use tools we used during the imperial days. :cool:

    But I think majority of Iraqi's don't want to come over here to blow us up. The foreign Arab fighters there might want to do that but they most likely don't have an Iraqi passport.
     
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    How much alternative energy do you think the US could develop spending 2 billion dollars a week for 5 years? You could have finished Yucca Mountain and built 100 nuclear plants.

    How easy is it for oppsition guerillas to stop the flow of oil even in police state? One RPG to a pump station and you could shut down the Alaska Pipleline for 3 months.

    If this gig is all about oil, and not about advancing the cause of rational (secular) governance for Planet Earth then we are the stupidest nation ever. Oil junkies, robbing and killing others so we can kill ourselves with the poison that keeps us high.

    God I hope you're wrong.
     

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