[STARBURY] Marbury Defends Vick, Calls Dogfighting a Sport

LOL. You rock, Moe

 

IMO, animal hunting as sports should be banned and should be illegal.

But Stephen, comon, something wrong doesnt make another wrong thing right. What an illogical argument!

 

The Law of the Jungle
Rudyard Kipling


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NOW this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky;
And the Wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the Wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk the Law runneth forward and back—
For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.

Wash daily from nose-tip to tail-tip; drink deeply, but never too deep;
And remember the night is for hunting, and forget not the day is for sleep.

The jackal may follow the Tiger, but, Cub, when thy whiskers are grown,
Remember the Wolf is a hunter—go forth and get food of thine own.

Keep peace with the Lords of the Jungle—the Tiger, the Panther, the Bear;
And trouble not Hathi the Silent, and mock not the Boar in his lair.

When Pack meets with Pack in the Jungle, and neither will go from the trail,
Lie down till the leaders have spoken—it may be fair words shall prevail.

When ye fight with a Wolf of the Pack, ye must fight him alone and afar,
Lest others take part in the quarrel, and the Pack be diminished by war.

The Lair of the Wolf is his refuge, and where he has made him his home,
Not even the Head Wolf may enter, not even the Council may come.

The Lair of the Wolf is his refuge, but where he has digged it too plain,
The Council shall send him a message, and so he shall change it again.

If ye kill before midnight, be silent, and wake not the woods with your bay,
Lest ye frighten the deer from the crops, and the brothers go empty away.

Ye may kill for yourselves, and your mates, and your cubs as they need, and ye can;
But kill not for pleasure of killing, and seven times never kill Man!

If ye plunder his Kill from a weaker, devour not all in thy pride;
Pack-Right is the right of the meanest; so leave him the head and the hide.

The Kill of the Pack is the meat of the Pack. Ye must eat where it lies;
And no one may carry away of that meat to his lair, or he dies.

The Kill of the Wolf is the meat of the Wolf. He may do what he will,
But, till he has given permission, the Pack may not eat of that Kill.

Cub-Right is the right of the Yearling. From all of his Pack he may claim
Full-gorge when the killer has eaten; and none may refuse him the same.

Lair-Right is the right of the Mother. From all of her year she may claim
One haunch of each kill for her litter; and none may deny her the same.

Cave-Right is the right of the Father—to hunt by himself for his own:
He is freed of all calls to the Pack; he is judged by the Council alone.

Because of his age and his cunning, because of his gripe and his paw,
In all that the Law leaveth open, the word of the Head Wolf is Law.

 

Humans have developed laws and societal mores because we have collectively decided we don't want to live by the law of the jungle. We deem it unacceptable to rape simply because someone is powerfull enough to. To kill others simply because we can.

Can't say I got much from that Kipling piece.

 

[ Now-he's-gone-too-far-bury ]

 

This thread reminded me of this video. I think its so wrong, using a freaking sniper to kill some pathetic animal... Way over the border

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I don't think people would go buy his shoes. It was a stupid thing to say while promoting a merchandise. Even dogs won't buy it.

 

I'll bet they will chew em though

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2988480

Knicks guard has change of heart about Vick

Updated: August 23, 2007, 4:13 PM ET

NEW YORK -- It didn't take long for New York Knicks guard Stephon Marbury to go from defending Michael Vick to distancing himself from the soon-to-be-imprisoned Atlanta Falcons quarterback.


After being criticized for his remarks Monday for calling dogfighting a sport and comparing it to hunting, Marbury told the New York Post for Thursday's editions that he despises dogfighting and that Vick "is 100 percent wrong."

"I don't like it at all," Marbury said of dogfighting. "I don't think [Vick's] right. But this dude is trying to ask for forgiveness. ... The way the way it's going about in the newspapers and TV, it's ridiculous."

Marbury also said he never called dogfighting a sport.

"I said, 'From what I hear, dogfighting was a sport.' They're editing me on TV," he said.

On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He will be sentenced Aug. 27 in Richmond and also faces possible prosecution on state charges.

Speaking hours after Vick announced he would agree to plead guilty, Marbury -- while promoting his basketball shoe in Albany, N.Y. -- told reporters he was in Vick's corner.

"I think it's tough," Marbury said, according to Albany TV station Capital News 9. "I think, you know, we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals. You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors.

"I think it's tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down. I think he's one of the superb athletes, and he's a good human being. I just think that he fell into a bad situation."

 

The original NY Post story that is mentioned in the ESPN article.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08232007/news/regionalnews/marbury__vick_is_100_percent_w.htm

MARBURY: VICK IS '100 PERCENT WRONG'
By MARC BERMAN
August 23, 2007 -- Say again?

Knick point guard Stephon Marbury — feeling the heat over his high-profile support of dog-fighting defendant Michael Vick — is doing a furious back-peddle to distance himself from the taint of doggie disrespect.

In an exclusive interview with The Post today, Marbury said he really hates dogfighting, never called it a sport and thinks the Atlanta Falcon "is 100 percent wrong."

"I don't like it at all," Marbury said of dogfighting. "I don't think [Vick's] right. But this dude is trying to ask for forgiveness ... The way the way it's going about in the newspapers and TV, it's ridiculous."

As reported by The Post, Marbury himself helped fan the flames in the controversy, characterizing dogfighting as a "sport" in an interview with an Albany TV station.

"I never said dogfighting was a sport," he insisted today. "I said 'From what I hear, dogfighting was a sport.' They're editing me on TV."

According to a federal complaint, more than 50 pit bulls were seized from Vick's property in Richmond, Va. — animals that were part of an dogfighting operation run by Vick and three cohorts.

Vick is expected to plead guilty to charges growing out of the operation and is likely to be sentenced to at least a year in prison — and perhaps longer. He also faces certain punishment from the NFL and may miss at least two seasons.

Marbury also think Vick is experiencing unfair media scrutiny.

"It's the ESPN Michael Vick torture channel," Marbury told The Post. "Every day it's Michael Vick. He did something that's bad. We know he's wrong. But are we going to crucify this guy, tear his whole life down? Last year we were holding him up on this big pedestal, the best quarterback ever, the biggest contract in football history. Now he did something wrong.

"Everyone has skeletons in their closet," Marbury added. "He committed a sin. Everybody commits sins. We have to forgive. No one sin is greater than the other. I got a DUI for drinking and driving. I did something wrong, asked for forgiveness from God. I learned from my mistakes. All I'm saying, give this guy another chance.

"He should be allowed to play football after he is punished. He deserves a second chance."

Marbury added, "And let me ask: Who has the list to decide which animals will live and die. People hunt for sport. I don't feel any animal should be allowed to die. We're all God's creation.'"

Later today, Marbury released an official statement, and reiterated his comments to The Post:

"It is not uncommon for my comments to be misconstrued in the media but I feel compelled to put my recent comments in the right context.

"What Michael Vick did was wrong and he has admitted his guilt. He should be punished.

"However, he should be given a second chance as others have received for more serious crimes. There is no list for which animals should be killed and which shouldn't.

"As a spiritual being, I respect God's divine order. We're all created by God and animals are God's creatures as well. I love animals and none of them should be harmed.

"However, we don't react the same when other animals are being killed for sport or the sake of human pleasure.

"Should we as a society stop wearing fur coats and eating meat or hold those accountable who are responsible for the demise of those animals? In order to receive forgiveness we must all forgive in order for healing to take place.

"As an athlete and celebrity, I realize we are convenient targets for scrutiny, often unfairly. When I received a DUI, I learned from the mistake and vowed never to do it again. I came out a better person as a result. I'm sure he will learn from this mistake and become a better man.

"My family's thoughts and prayers go out to him and all of those impacted by this unfortunate situation."

 

what a marooon! Major Flipflopper

 

Hahaha thats true

 

...and thats why you hire a publicist.

 

although I don't believe dog fighting is a sport in our cultural and although I think Marbury says some ridiculous things I "kind of" see his point here.....I'm sure we either have or know someone who has hunted for "sport" in their life time...that includes shooting an animal then ripping apart their carcus so you can place their head in your living room full of other dead animal memorabilia, lol......I'm not trying to say what Vick did was right (because I do believe it was horrible and I am a dog lover myself) but if this happened somewhere else on the planet it might not be that big of a deal...but in America dogs are viewed as "man's best friend" and that's why this case is getting all of the attention.

 

What will happen t all those dogs? I bet they will be put to sleep. In end what is the point of all this?

 

but putting them to sleep is the good way of killing things. It's not killing, it's permanent sleep. That is of course if it's a black dog. If its a lighter color dog, then it's murder.

I'm against euthanasia of dogs because the poison makes the meat taste funny afterwards.

 

First Marbury sells his shoes for really cheap compared to all other NBA players.....and this makes him look like a good guy.

Then he continues to open his mouth and make himself look like an ignorant ass. Seriously, the dude is just plain dumb.

 

Gotta take the good with the bad
one does not dismiss the other

Rocket River

 

I'm sure there has been some stimulating and good discussion in this thread...I should probably read it later. Just wanted to point out that other countries love dogs too, like France.

I understand where Marbury is coming from. I'm a dog lover.

There is a huge cultural emotional effect on Vick's public perception. It is somewhat inconsistent/hypocritical...somewhat...

Emotions and culture make us human though. A Universal sense of pure justice is almost impossible to achieve. Vick and Marbury live in our society and are subject to be judged according to our societal norms. Legally, it's the gambling that really got him in trouble, but our public really only cares about the dog fighting and killing.

It's wrong but it is inconsistent. It's the same type of thing that when people are repulsed by eating veal and then don't think twice when they're gobbling down that steak.

 

Steph's second point is a lot more sensible than his critic's hating. Too bad it wasn't is first statement because our society is too damn quick to judge others without looking within.