[STARBURY] Marbury Defends Vick, Calls Dogfighting a Sport

God.. i read all these posts.. nothing in agreeance..

what if one of those pitbulls killed human??? then it's ok to shoot it? come on guys.. everything going on in this case is so relative, it's ridiculous.

Ummm, yeah you would shoot it because it would have attacked someone. These dogs didn't attack someone.

and he's right.. people shoot deer, kill cows to eat.. come the F on man.

Last I checked, dog fighting wasn't used for eating and helping people live. You're comparing killing a deer and cow for meat and essentials to dog fighting!?

hell, dick cheney shot a man?? why isn't he in jail?

Because it was an accident. Vick and his friends didn't "accidently" make dogs fight illegally. Also, last I checked, Cheney didn't hang, drown or electrocute his friends or other people.

survival of the fittest. if you can't dig this post, you ain't strong enough for the truth. go back to your religious institutions.

You're right, survival of the fittest. And your boy Vick wasn't man enough to beat the system and now he's going to jail. And if you aint strong enough for the truth sucks for you because that's not going to stop Vick from spending a little time in jail. As far as going back to an institution, you can find Michael Vick coming to a Correctional Facility near you!

I can think of a billion people who've done worse than Vick and Vick get's all this bad PR??

I can name people who have done worse then Vick, and they're in jail. Your logic is twisted. If a man robs a bank at gun point, and another man kills someone, should we let the guy who robbed the bank loose just because the guy who killed someone committed a worse crime?

All i have to say is Bush and 9/11.. you put it together.. who should go to jail?

Look, I'm democrat, and even I have to admit that's stupid. George Bush didn't fly planes into those buildings and he didn't order people to fly planes into those buildings and didn't know planes were going to fly into those buildings so how do you compare that to Vick torturing and killing animals while running illegal dogfighting and illegal gambling?

 

It's only a bigger topic because he's a celebrity. Other people are going to jail for the exact same thing, but it hasn't been reported. Vick isn't getting treated any differently then anyone else. They have been raiding dog fighting for years. And, as I said before, just because there are worse crimes out there doesn't mean that the lesser crimes should be thrown out.

 

Okay, maybe I'm slow, but I don't see why 'eating it' makes it all better. Humans don't need meat to survive. I don't even think their teeth were made to eat red meat. The animal dies in both cases, right? So why is it different? I'm asking because I really want to understand the argument of why killing to eat is okay.

 

You could also argue why is it ok to kill cockroaches in your house. Do you spray them or try to catch them and throw them outside to spare them? People have their own internal ranking of treating other animals and people, whether it's right or wrong, justified or not is subjective. In general society has developed a system where humans > pets > food source > pests, etc. I'm not trying to argue either way, just saying your point has more dimensions then what you've simplified it down to.

 

Boy, this really makes me want to go out and buy my kid a pair of Starbury's. what a role model. What a benevolent soul. What a frickin' brain donor !

I like the reply about a twin brother. That would explain a lot.

 

This is sort of true and if you have ever visited or been in a slaughterhouse, as I have, you know the animals there are treated worse than these dogs in many cases. But, dogs are pets and pets hold a higher value than those animals we use as food.

 

Marbury is a ****ing idiot. All the weed has gotten to that small brain of his.

 

Although my fiancee who is a vet and dog lover would kill me if she read this post, but I actually agree about what marbury said.

The only reason dog fighting is as serious a crime as it is is because a dog is considered a domestic animal, that's how the law is written and that's how it is viewed. But you have to think about this for a minute. Are pitbulls and other known fighting dogs truely "domesticated" animals? They were bred to fight, not catch frisbees. This isn't Clifford the dog VS Santa's Little Helper. These are killers that were made specifically to do one thing and that is kill whoever and whatever is in the arena with them.

Maybe we should be all riled up about the breeding of these versions, now that I can agree with. I'm not pro-dogfighting but I do believe it is overblown and misunderstood because of the western/american culture and general use of the word "dog" to describe what was bred to be a wild animal.

Edit: For all you who will try to pick on every detail I think I should state that I do not mean every pitbull is bred to be a killer or will be one, but the specific ones who are in the fighting scene.

 

My post from D&D:

For the hunting thing to apply, any hunter that missed the deer would be strangled, electrocuted, pummeled, and shot. Any good hunter would be forcibly bred. Any good female hunter would be raped. Any deer that was just wounded would be strangled, electrocuted, pummeled, and shot some more.

I agree with most of this from WaPo:

 

nice!

i love that story!

 

take away the dogfighting...

how do you feel about the hanging? the electrocuting? the drowning?

how do you feel about organized crime? illegal multi-state gambling rings?

he's pleading guilty to more than just dogfighting...

 

I don't see the connection.

Vick tortured and killed dogs. Hunters kill animals too. Would it be worse to electrocute/strangle a cow before eating a steak? I guess, but I don't see how it's that much worse than a slaughter or shooting it.

On the pet thing, people also have fish as pets, yet we kill fish all the time and it's acceptable. Horses, same thing.

 

I don't feel good about it. But I also eat animals and wear/use leather. Why shouldn't I feel bad about that? I don't, but maybe I should? Can anyone tell me why one is worse than the other, other than 'society says so'?

 

and you're justifying and ends to a mean.

 

What are you some kind of vegetarian or someting?




DD

 

edit means to an end... sorry

anyway, my comment may seem one-sided, but it's just bringing up another point of view..

i'm just saying, if you look at it and understand that everything IS really relative, you'd see that killing endless chickens and cows to eat is no different from having dogs fight each other for entertainment.. it's not like we NEED cows and chickens to live.. it's a luxury.. and dog-fighting is an expensive luxury most people don't have.

I don't think Vick should go to prison.. this is so much more r****ded than any other issue i've seen people go free from.. AKA OJ, Martha, hell Lindsay and her recent DUIs should be handled more seriously than this issue.

 

maybe survival of the fittest was a bit off from what I meant...
I was trying to imply that hey.. dogs aren't as strong as man.. it may not be fair to the dog, but hey... Vick probably had 80% higher probability than the dogs he shot to get shot... so hey... whatevs man.. i'm liberal btw.

 

He's not talking about some cavemen that hunt just to survive. He's talking about those that hunt for sport, which is pretty much everyone that hunts in this country.

There are so many hypocrites on here screaming about the abuse of dogs. I bet most of these people turn around and go eat their hamburgers, hotdogs, chicken, never realizing what those animals had to endure. At least Vick's dogs had a chance to survive, they live if they win. Those animals you and I eat for dinner, they were designated for slaughter from the moment they were born.

 

again...the dogfighting is getting in the way of understanding what this guy was really facing in terms of criminal prosecution. he ran an illegal gambling ring across state lines. he financed it. he participated in it. toss in the fact he drowned, electrocuted and hung dogs. the guy was one superseding indictment away from facing RICO charges.