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Last Chance to Speak Out on River Oaks Demolition Tomorrow

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  1. Jeff

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    http://houstonist.com/2007/08/06/public_hearing.php

    Tuesday, August 7 at 2pm is the last chance for the public to speak about the pending historic landmark status of the River Oaks Shopping Center, River Oaks Theater, Alabama Shopping Center, and Alabama Theater in front of City Council. Members of the public must sign up to speak by 12pm Tuesday by calling the City Secretary (dial "311"), and people who have already spoken to City Council on this issue may not do so tomorrow. Those who are added to the list will only have one minute to speak.

    This preservation measure was tagged by Council Member Addie Wiseman last Wednesday which delayed the vote until tomorrow, August 8th, which is ironically the same day Weingarten can legally begin demolition of the northern, curved section. If the measure is passed, it looks like the River Oaks Shopping Center will be the martyr for Houston preservation since the (effectually meaningless) landmark status would be granted during or after demolition.

    Tuesday, August 7th, 2pm:
    Public hearing at City Hall, 900 Bagby, 2nd floor

    Wednesday, August 8th:
    Weingarten to begin demolition of northern curved part of River Oaks Shopping Center; City Council to vote on historic landmark designation.

    Wednesday, August 8th, 5pm:
    River Oaks wake at River Oaks Theater upstairs bar, hosted by Save our Landmarks


    I'm not thrilled the northern section of the center is being torn down, but I can live with it if they preserve the theater on the south side and Alabama/BookStop.

    I have moderate hopes for the theater but not much hope for the Alabama.
     
  2. JayZ750

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    I wonder what was there before the theater was there? seriously, out of curiosity....

    I don't mind tearing things down, but not for another copycat megastore (Barnes & Noble or whatever...).
     
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    I wonder how often the Weingarten representatives had lunch with Addie Wiseman this week. I'm sure it was a nice lunch, a bunch of rich folks sitting around discussing business.

    I doubt anyone on the city council gives a damn what the citizens who speak will have to say - they're already deep into the money & contracts world that Weingarten inhabits.

    And it looks like, from this, that the center will be granted landmark status just as it's being torn down. I hope I misunderstood that.
     
  4. Jeff

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    That is correct. You didn't misunderstand. Wiseman tagged it last week meaning they couldn't vote until this week knowing that it would be too late.
     
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    so they're going to tear it all down then? If so, then that's pretty damn sad. This city already lacks any sort of historical identity so I suppose tearing down what little history we have shouldn't be surprising.
     
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    ??? I didn't realize they were gonna scrap the strip center and theater on Alabama, too!!! Isn't there a Bookstop in that theater?
     
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    that is sad.....i grew up in houston but never ventured much out of my burb until after college but i really liked how unique it was.

    now just great :rolleyes:
    another starbucks inside another barnes and nobles.
     
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    boycott $tarbux and bn.
     
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    The River Oaks Theater is NOT the Alamo. Let the demolition begin!
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Already done. Starbucks has never received a penny of my money.
     
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    Isn't that the same place where they have the two starbucks across the street from each other?

    How many more do they need?
     
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    I've lived in Houston pretty much half my life but I didn't really know about that area of town until college. I haven't been keeping up, they've talked about tearing that place down for a while now so I thought it's just all talk. What's the word? Is it definitely a B&N and Starbux???
     
  14. Jeff

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    First, Starbucks has been on both sides of that street for years. Both locations are remaining and neither had anything to do with the demo of the center.

    Second, the first portion to be torn down is the north side across from the theater. The leaked plans from Weingarten will put in a Barnes and Noble as well as a small center that will include some of the former tenants - Three Brothers Bakery, specifically.

    Third, there has been no decision on the theater yet, but it seems fairly clear they want it demolished. Plans leaked a few months back had them turning the front of the theater into a facade for a high rise luxury apartment complex (just what we need :rolleyes: ) behind which would be a multi-level garage that the residents of the neighborhood there are not real thrilled about.

    Last, it is probable that the Alabama will be torn down if BN moves in at West Gray simply because BN owns Bookstop. The Alabama was part of an award winning restoration project taken on by Bookstop when they originally moved into the location. Rumor is that Weingarten wants to raze the property and build a different strip mall with a multi-story parking structure behind it.
     
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    the sad part is that the new development will probably not be pedestrian friendly...just like everything in Houston :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes there is a strip center there - including a pet store-previously occupied by Whole foods. A friend at whole foods told me there were issues with lead in paint and Asbestos material in the building that would have to be remediated-and it made it more economical to tear it down than revamp the shopping center. Unofficial rumor- take it for what it is worth-nothing. The land will be used to it's highest return on investment value.

    Sad- because River Oaks shopping center is an attractive -somewhat historic property for a "new " city. I really like that area-unique look
     
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    I hate to lose the River Oaks shopping center and Alabama theatre too. On the lighter side-- There is some sentiment growing for preservation in Houston- recall in Oct '06- The Magnolia ballroom on Buffalo Bayou- On Franklin- near Club TOC' has gained historic preservation status with tax benefits. The Owner is keeping it rented - so there is income - which helps.
     
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    Per Jeff:

    "Second, the first portion to be torn down is the north side across from the theater. The leaked plans from Weingarten will put in a Barnes and Noble as well as a small center that will include some of the former tenants - Three Brothers Bakery, specifically"

    Jeff- have you heard if the area where La Griglia is now will be torn down too? I guess the whole area huh? I know where three brothers bakery is -so that gets torn down- Is that the North side of West Gray?
     
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    I highly doubt the teardown will go that far east of Shepherd. Jos. A Banks just moved from their old location a further east (but still west of La Griglia) because of the development. Unless they had to spend absolutely $0 on building out the new location and/or got a sweet rent deal, it woudl have made no sense for them to just move into another location to be redeveloped shortly.
     
  20. Jeff

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    They won't get that far. Just the curved areas on both sides and the theater. From what I understand, the shops to the east of the curve on the north side are staying.

    As for preservation, the Sixth Ward recently became the first neighborhood in Houston to receive legitimate historic status without the residents involvement. Normally, it takes 51 percent of residents to force the city to provide it with historic preservation protection. This prevents demolition of older homes without a review and certain prevailing elements of properties must be preserved - set backs, driveways, lot size, building to lot size ratio, sidewalks, etc.

    It does not prevent someone from putting a stucco house in a neighborhood with all wood frame houses, but the argument is that with the ordinance in place, most developers wouldn't bother. Woodland Heights got this designation through a petition signed by homeowners. The Heights proper has been trying, but it is tough to get enough signors because people move so frequently. They are hoping the city will do the same for that neighborhood.
     

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