Really? Could've fooled me... KT is averaging just 5.9 boards per game, less than Mo Taylor did after the first month of last season. If you're going to bash Mo, at least do as Larry Dierker says and "check the record".
<i>Really? Could've fooled me... KT is averaging just 5.9 boards per game, less than Mo Taylor did after the first month of last season. If you're going to bash Mo, at least do as Larry Dierker says and "check the record".</i> The Cat, You might want to follow your own advice. After 7 games last year Taylor was averaging 3.57 reb/game. After the first month of the season, he was averaging 3.85 reb/game.
aelliot-What Cat means is to throw out the rebound stats of Mo AFTER Nov. Do that, and KT's average is probably lower than Mo's. Compare the first month, and KT's rebounds dwarf that of Mo's. Regardless, we need to get MORE rebounding out of both guys, when Mo comes back. 5-6 boards from a starting PF isn't going to cut it.
How does that translate at all into following my own advice? It's unfair to judge a player on his performance immediately after being transferred to a completely different team, offensive system, etc. Very few players produce great results immediately when traded to a new team and having to learn a new offense, etc. This is KT's 3rd season with the Rockets right now-- he should know the system. P.S. Mo also played less minutes per game in that stretch last year than Kenny is so far, and had more rebounders alongside him.
If you're going to make pathetic attempts at defending Mo Taylor, at least do the entire scene from The Jerk where Martin is working the booth at the carnival. You're a dork, btw. You do know that, don't you?
If my attempts to defend him are so pathetic, why can't you pick out the flaws? Look, I like KT, don't get me wrong. But if he's a better rebounder than Mo, he should show it in the stats. To this point in the season, he's averaging about the same rebounds per minute as Mo last season, give or take about a half a point. Everyone went to the stats to prove that Mo wasn't a good rebounder... why can't the same method be used with Kenny?
I have to agree with The Cat here. How are his attempts "pathetic" they seem pretty damn valid to me. I don't like either KT or Mo, so I don't think I have a bias either way. I think they are basically even, and have very similar games. However, I'd rather have Mo, just because he's 2 inches taller. Hopefully down the road, we can trade both of them for a good PF who can rebound and play some tough interior d.
<i>It's unfair to judge a player on his performance immediately after being transferred to a completely different team, offensive system, etc. Very few players produce great results immediately when traded to a new team and having to learn a new offense, etc</i> Being traded affects your rebounding numbers greatly? Let's look at some examples: Ben Wallace - 11.26 reb/game for first month of 2000 season after being traded Danny Fortson - 16.3 reb/game for first 6 games of season after being traded (broke foot and missed remainder of year). Dikembe Mutumbo - 12.77 reb/game for first month after being traded to Philly at midseason. Lorenzen Wright - 13.9 reb/game so far this season. Kevin Willis - 9.4 reb/game (in 20.4 min/game) this season Sharif Abdur-Rahim - 10.2 reb/game so far this season. Elton Brand - 9.9 reb/game so far this season Derrick Coleman - 9.8 reb/game so far this season. There's 8 examples that I can think of just in the last two seasons, that's not too rare. Looks to me like rebounders rebound no matter what team or system they are playing for.
How can someone when you don't accept them at all? aelliot just <B>bodyslammed</B> your claim that Mo Taylor averaged more boards than KT after the first month of the season last year. You didn't acknowledge that you were wrong, and instead said it was unfair to make that comparison (<em>you</em> made the comparison) because Mo was just learning the Rockets system. Another bad claim. KT (30.4 minutes) is averaging <em>less than a minute</em> more than Mo (29.6 minutes) did last season through 7 games. That's not a leg to stand on for excuses as to why KT's rebounding more. As for the "more rebounders" claim: After 7 games last season, Hakeem averaged 5.7 boards a contest, Mo 3.57, Francis was getting 5.5 and Mobley 4.1. Cato played just 2 games before getting injured (and grabbed just a total of 4 boards). This season Hakeem may be missing, but Francis is an even better rebounder (7.4) and so is Mobley (5.3) while the duo of Willis and Cato is snaring almost <em>16 boards</em> a night. If anything, you should say the Rockets are bricking so many shots this season that there are more rebounds to go around. I don't think there's any doubt that Kenny Thomas is a better rebounder than Maurice Taylor. KT as a rookie (not just his first season with the Rockets when he "doesn't know the system", but his first season EVER) averaged 0.4 rebounds less than Maurice Taylor's <em>career high</em> (ironically his 3rd season with the Clippers, a system he should know quite well). And KT did it in 11 minutes less a game.
now that is just piling on, Clutch, after a clear bodyslam. lol I think Clutch should have to do these stat comparisons with one hand tied behind his back and a 2400 baud modem...since he now has his Rockets rockin database.
Mo T has been a disappointment since he entered the league. He is an average player at best and will never be anything more. (please prove me wrong Mo since we are locked into having your sorry a$$ around for another 6 years or so). He plays like a prima donna and will never, IMO, be the type of player that leaves his heart on the floor. He was an early 1st round draft pick (if i remember correctly) and has had no more success in this league than Chris Washburn. He was an average player on a terrible team and now he is an average player on a potential playoff team. KT is continuing to improve. He was thrown into a starting role (something I'm sure he relishes mind you) and told to go out and bang with the likes of Duncan, Malone, Webber, Nowitski, Garnett, brand etc etc etc and, at least in my eyes, is trying to make the most of it by playing his butt off. This is a guy who I believe was a 2nd round draft pick, started off battling injuries and has climbed uphill ever since. He may not ever reach the zenith of the mountain in front of him but at least he plays the game like it means something to him.
following grummett's lead...let's pile on with the "just because" praise of Kenny. <b>just because</b> a player is 7', named Duncan, and can back off Kenny's jumper, doesn't mean he has a chance in hell of stopping K9's headfake and first step....go K9!!! Did I say I'm biased towards speed?! Must be that Dream guy who taught me that in 1986.
