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Do You think Gov't Entities Like Schools should be Named after Confederates?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Aug 6, 2007.

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  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Like Jefferson Davis High School. Simple yes/no question
     
  2. jo mama

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    i wouldnt want to go to a school named after a bunch of losers.

    same w/ the confederate flag - why take pride in the flag of a failed government?
     
  3. hotballa

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    no, they're traitors to the US
     
  4. KaiSeR SoZe

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    Robert E. Lee High School!!!!

    i could careless..
     
  5. weslinder

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    Generally, no, but with exceptions. If a Confederate "hero" was especially important to local history, they should name schools after that person. My town has an elementary school and a park named after Dick Dowling. It is good that people learn about him. And Robert E. Lee was an American hero that was probably the most influential war mind that US has ever had, and an instrumental figure in reuniting the States. Things should be named after him.

    But a weak President of a short-lived rebellion? Definitely shouldn't be celebrated like that.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I agree with a lot of what you say in this post
     
  7. weslinder

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    Sure, they are historical figures.


    If you are saying because they fought in the civil war and lost that they should not be honored, I will disagree.

    Since the civil war was about states rights, and not necessarily about slavery until Lincoln made it such in 1863, then I can't see why you should not honor them.

    DD
     
  9. hotballa

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    how are they any different from militias whgo want to break away from the U.S. gov't today?
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you're right, it had nothing to do with slavery till lincoln made it about that.
     
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    Public chools should not be named after traitors.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    An interesting thought, but weren't most of these men historical figures before the war? Governers, senetators etc?

    And Pgab, do you disagree that the civil war was about states rights? Of course slavery was a massive issue, but when Lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation it was done to stop other countries who had freed their slaves from entering the war on the side of the confederacy, which they were preparing to do.....countries like France and England.

    I don't see an issue with having a school named after historic figures, even if they were on the losing side of a civil war.

    DD
     
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    You need a newer history book. At least you aren't calling it "The War Between the States", though.
     
  14. pgabriel

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    what was the main state right they were fighting over?

    I don't know, maybe the whole traitor issue
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Really? Seems I am pretty accurate.

    "International impact
    Abroad, as Lincoln hoped, the Proclamation turned foreign popular opinion in favor of the Union for its new commitment to end slavery. That shift ended any hope the Confederacy might have had of gaining official recognition, particularly from the United Kingdom. If Britain or France, both of which had abolished slavery, continued to support the Confederacy, it would seem as though they were supporting slavery. Prior to Lincoln's decree, Britain's actions had favored the Confederacy, especially in its construction of warships such as the CSS Alabama and CSS Florida. As Henry Adams noted, "The Emancipation Proclamation has done more for us than all our former victories and all our diplomacy." Giuseppe Garibaldi hailed Lincoln as "the heir of the aspirations of John Brown." Alan Van Dyke, a representative for workers from Manchester, England, wrote to Lincoln saying, "We joyfully honor you for many decisive steps toward practically exemplifying your belief in the words of your great founders: 'All men are created free and equal.'" This eased tensions with Europe that had been caused by the North's determination to defeat the South at all costs, even if it meant upsetting Europe, as in the Trent Affair."


    And it did not free the slaves in the Northern slave states........it was a political move designed to choke the southern states from support....and it worked.

    DD
     
  16. pgabriel

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    why don't you wiki civil war

    The likelihood of secession was greatly increased by the coexistence of a slave-owning South and an increasingly anti-slavery North. Lincoln did not propose federal laws against slavery where it already existed, but he had, in his 1858 House Divided Speech, expressed a desire to "arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction". Much of the political battle in the 1850s focused on the expansion of slavery into the newly created territories. All of the organized territories were likely to become free-soil states, which increased the Southern movement toward secession. Both North and South assumed that if slavery could not expand it would wither and die
     
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    The rights of states to govern themselves, and yes that includes slavery- the major issue.

    Were they traitors or patriots? They were fighting for what they believed in, their way of life, that is what the men 100 years prior were fighting for too.

    I don't have an issue with honoring Jefferson Davis, or Robert E. Lee (who was offered command of the entire Union army at the outset of the war).

    Is the argument you are making that it is offensive to African Americans to name schools after these historic figures?

    DD
     
  18. hotballa

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    Well Benedict Arnold was also a well respected person :p
     
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    hitler is a historic figure in germany's history, should schools in germany be named after him?
     

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