1.5 million for a very good role player like Hayes is a bargin. i think chuck was looking for a long contract. he was willing to take less cash so he could get more years.
Me, too. Well, at least we know Chuck Hayes's cap figure should be $1.7M for next season. Under league rules, incentives that are "likely to be reached" count in a player's salary for cap and luxury tax purposes. Man, the Rockets front office has done a TREMENDOUS job adding talent and keeping talent, all under reasonable contracts. I mean, other than the possible exception of Mike James, can anyone point to a single contract for a current Rockets player and say that it's a materially BAD contract? I don't count T-Mac's monster deal, since you pay a premium for true superstar talent.
You must have missed the last seven games of the season when he shut Okur down. Attack Chuck in the post and you'll get bupkis. Not that he's a great one on one defender or anything, but he'll definitely make people work for it, which is automatically pretty good. Watch game footage throughout the season and you'll see that Chuck consistently makes people work hard. And I'd like to see your definition of "good defender" applied to Ben Wallace. That guy is 100% help defense. Any good scorer can abuse him in the post, especially since he insists on guarding guys with single coverage. The same thing applies to Camby, although to a lesser amount. They didn't win DPOY awards because they're the Bruce Bowen of big men, they won them because they make the whole opposing team afraid of coming towards the hoop. Ryan Bowen was in the league because he played good defense. People don't want to admit he was good at anything, but he had a job he was good at. His offense was just so bad that it negated any good he did. And again, no one is insisting that Chuck starts. Re-read the thread.
You'd be surprised at how many " high priced" players in the league will shy away from contact in defense and refuse to take a charge. The name stro sound familiar? When you take a charge you run the risk of injuring yourself not to mention bumps and bruises, because a defensive player essentially exposes his chest and is at the mercy of a driving player's elbow. Thus, You can never underestimate the value of a blue collar worker who is willing to take the charge even against bigger players. A fearless player who takes a charge despite being undersized should be saluted as he is in effect "taking the hit" for the team. I remember one game ( correct me if im wrong) when Hayes actually injured himself by trying to guard or take a charge against Shaq or something like that. This is what Chuck Hayes is all about...he does all the dirty work.... a fearless blue collar worker.
Come on man, Hayes did not shut Okur down. Okur was on the perimiter while Boozer was killing Yao, and he was missing shots. He started to make them towards the end of the series. Are you really saying folks don't attack the paint against us because they fear Hayes? Wallace may be all help defense but he is great at help defense.
I agree that Chuck is a hustling, scrappy player that brings a lot of energy. I just don't think he should be a starter on a title team, especially in the West, which is stacked with stud PF's. We weren't upgrading the position for no reason.
Chuck is good defensive low post player and very solid player.He lacks more height but he has size and rebounds very good.Hopefully he will be around in Rockets for a long time because he contributes and knows his role.
No, I never said Chuck was elite defender. I said he plays good defense. Your definition of a good defender is too narrow and you know it. Your definition: "(disclaimer I am not considering taking charges on weakside help...I am talking you go hold player X and stop him) You can stick good defenders on folks for containment. " Durvasa's already tried to explain the concept of team defense to you. Two DPOY winners do not fit into your criteria of good defenders. You should rethink your definition.
Yes. Hayes should come off the bench with our current composition. We also didn't upgrade our head coaching position for no reason.
Chuck Hayes is one of the strongest players in the league, and with his low center of gravity, one of the hardest players to back down on the low block. Go back and watch some of the games against the Heat. Shaq got visibly frustrated trying to go one-on-one against Chuck. Oh yeah, and the Rockets' best in the league post defense last year? Who gets credit for that? Juwan Howard?
Another important aspect to Chuck's defensive prowess is his ability to play man to man defense. Statistically he doesn't generate blocks and steals, but his ability to stay in front of the opposition is rare for a PF. A player that is able to man up AND has strength on the interior is even more rare.
Actually, Chuck's steal rate is well above average for a PF. Here's top 20 forwards in steals per 40 minutes last season (at least 40 games played, at least 15 mpg). And most of these players are SFs: Code: [B] Name Tm Ht STL[/B] 1. Caron Butler WAS 6.07 2.2 2. Gerald Wallace CHA 6.07 2.2 3. Renaldo Balkman NYK 6.08 2.1 4. Shawn Marion PHO 6.07 2.1 5. Tyrus Thomas CHI 6.09 1.9 6. Trevor Ariza ORL 6.08 1.8 7. Linton Johnson NOK 6.08 1.8 8. Paul Millsap UTA 6.08 1.8 9. Eduardo Najera DEN 6.08 1.8 10. Ruben Patterson MIL 6.05 1.8 11. Damien Wilkins SEA 6.06 1.8 12. Eddie Jones TOT 6.06 1.7 13. Matt Barnes GSW 6.07 1.6 14. Jorge Garbajosa TOR 6.09 1.6 [B]15. Chuck Hayes HOU 6.06 1.6[/B] 16. Robert Horry SAS 6.09 1.6 17. LeBron James CLE 6.08 1.6 18. Travis Outlaw POR 6.09 1.6 19. James Singleton LAC 6.08 1.6 20. Anderson Varejao CLE 6.10 1.6
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I understand team defense just fine. The two DPOY's that you are referencing were great at off the ball defense. Hayes is not.
Again, did our defensive stats take a big dip in the games that Hayes missed, or didn't play a lot of minutes?
