The "Random Rocket Trade Proposals" Thread - 2007 Offseason

I think we are nearly set. I strongly believe we are one more significant piece away from becoming a chamionship contender. That piece has to fit in the 4 spot and has to bring something there which we don't already have; shooting and athleticism. Tim Thomas fits the bill.

Point Guards set : Francis / James / Brooks
Shooting Guards set : Mcgrady / Bonzi / Head / Snyder
Small Forwards set : Battier / Mcgrady / Bonzi
Center : Yao / Mutombo / Butler (Even if we lose Mutombo we'll be alright)
Power Forwards : Hayes / Scola - Add Tim Thomas and we'll be set

Rafer Alston + Justin Reed for Tim Thomas. Trade away Lucas. Cut Sura and Harris and decide who to keep between Landry and Novak.

If we have this team, then all that will remain is see which one of our remaining point guards will be our passing point guard. Then we will be set to contend for the championship.

 

That's exactly what I was thinking...

- Trade Rafer Alston & Justin Reed to the LA Clippers for Tim Thomas.

- Trade John Lucas III to the New Orleans Hornets for a TE worth $770,610.

- Resign Chuck Hayes

- Resign Dikembe Mutombo.

- Send Carl Landry to the D-League.

- Cut Mike Harris.

2007-08 Depth Chart
1) Steve Francis / Mike James / Aaron Brooks
2) Tracy McGrady / Luther Head / Kirk Snyder
3) Shane Battier / Bonzi Wells / Steve Novak
4) Luis Scola / Tim Thomas / Chuck Hayes
5) Yao Ming / Dikembe Mutombo / Jackie Butler

 

What if we just stand pat and dump salary for draft picks? I think our team could be strong enough now without any major changes.

 

Yeah I have to disagree that the team is one major piece away from having a chance to compete for a title. I think once they get the 15 they want set, the roster will definitely have enough to compete with San Antonio or Phoenix in a 7 game series. This team is greatly improved IMO for a variety of reasons.

I was pretty sure the Rockets would lose to Utah, there were so many obvious weaknesses. But right now I would take this Rockets team over Utah in 5 games. I think the improvement is that significant.

I'd say right now the team is better than Dallas, Utah, Denver, it's about on par with Phoenix and San Antonio I think already.

 

no . i disagree . onre more piece oughta do the job. becuase we have so many things that are still unsure. scola has yet to play a game . and francis and bonzi aren't a sure thing either. james had a slow year last year.
adding tim thomas adds another "if" scenario;
"if" bonzi plays as well as he did against SA in the playoffs
"if" Scola plays as well as he does internationally
"if" francis can go back to his old ways and become more of a passer
"if" mike james can have the same scoring he did with toronto
this would add another if
"if" tim thomas plays in the playoffs like he did with pheonix
Increase the probability of having something going in our favor

 

If the Kevin Garnett deal goes through and Boston is without Jefferson, Ratliff, Telfair, and Green, they will need a point gaurd. Alston is going to be one of the only options the Celtics have. And the Rockets would be better off in a trade of Alston for Gomes, though I agree that he is not a true 4. If the Rockets did make a trade, they would pretty much have to take the 3 years remaining on Brian Scalabrine's contract off the Celtics hands and probably another low payed scrub to make the deal work. Right now, assuming the far-fetched notion that Garnett would agree to an extention now that the Celtics have picked up Allen, the Rockets options seem to be getting Doleac from Miami, giving the team more flexibility next summer with Doleac becoming a free agent and his contract coming off the books (which Alston's would not) or trading Alston to Boston for Scalabrine and Gomes (for just a year) or maybe a straight up deal of Alston for Texan big man Perkins. No Perkins is not ideal, but if the Celtics believe they can go small starting Alston Allen Pierce Gomes and Garnett, they may be ok sending Perkins home to Texas, where I believe, though is salary would be on the books for a few year, he could help the Rockets by adding another big body, though he is slow. Tell me what yall think.

 

Stand Pat

 

IM DIGGIN THAT TIM THOMAS TRADE!! NOBODY REALLY MENTIONS IT, ALTHOUGH I DID A WHILE BACK. I DONT THINK THE CLIPS WILL DEAL HIM THOUGH.

 

There actually is another possibility regarding the PF position. Rockets Dump Hayes Salary and Trade out Alston and Keep either Harris or Landry cause they are cheap.

 

If this Garnett trade goes through, they will be in pretty desperate need of a point guard. Rajon Rondo is the only PG left on the roster, on paper there is very little I'd take from them but a first round pick may be a possibility since they probably plan on being out of the lottery the next few seasons with Allen, Pierce and Garnett on the same roster.

How does a draft pic count against the cap in such a scenario? Can Boston only take a contract back if they are under the cap?

 

If Morey can get Tim Thomas for Rafer, I would be stunned.

Only problem is that Houston still would be trading one for one, need to dump more players.

 

They should get a 5-6 mil TE out of this.

 

Actually it's Minny who would get the TE. If they waive Hudson they might want Rafer?

 

The longer we wait and the more PG's sign now, the more valuable Rafer becomes. For that reason we should not be in such a hurry to let him go IMO. Same goes for JLIII also.

 

k . so i want my original idea of getting tim thomas to happen. and if morey actually attempted it i know it would
but lets forget that trade and be drastic for a second. i love what boston just did. yes they gave up on the future, but for a chance at the title any owner would do it. miami did it a few years back when it got all those bad contracts(it was a little less drastic but it was all for the title).
anyways, my suggestion ... Lets get JERMAINE ONEAL!
I dont wanna hear how injured he is and how he wont know how to share. the dude plays his ass off, only missed 12 games last year, and wants his shot at the title. and think about how mean he'll make this team.
and honestly, i think we may have the pieces to get this done. and we wont gut our team (we already have too many players)
heres the tricky part, we may need to get rid of Battier . but honestly, i cant believe our coaches dont see this, mcgrady is a much better small forward than he is a shooting guard.
Offer Battier + Rafer + Sura + Hayes (sign him first) + Landry or Butler or Reed (just fillers.)
You know what, we probably have to add Brooks in there for them to bite. But I'd do it. Maybe get Armstrong thrown in (always liked him) and theyll have too many points

Francis / Bonzi / Mcgrady / J O'neal / Yao
Bench: Mike James, Luther Head, Scola, Mutombo, Snyder
I love that starting line-up
just absolutely love it. Ive always wanted Mcgrady to play with a star power forward. I think that's what would be most helpful to him

That's a champioship team.
and yes, I am aware that I'm dreaming. But hey, who woulda thought yesterday that Boston could get Garnett without having a draft pick this year or having to give up Paul Pierce or Ray Allen. Teams eventually get desperate. A month ago Boston was going to give up the 5th pick and Al Jefferson.

 

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That would be amazin. I wish that would happen but i highly doubt it. It just doesnt seem feasible. Yea it would be a trade from the east to west, but I thnk they would rather trade with la or somethin so they can get somethin better than that. Wouldnt you rather get odom and some others? I dunno if indiana would do it from battier, sura, and which ever scrub plus a first rounder. I dunno if they would be interested enough with brooks (though i see great potential with him) to do that. We might need to add luther to that and maybe even alston. If they would do that battier, head, alston, and 1st rounder for him, i would do it quickly

 

for crying out loud Tim Thomas??

Pass bigtime and dont ever look back!

 

With KG going to Boston it's time for the Rockets to step back into the action.

Bulls have the contracts of Gordon & Deng to extend. Considering the cntracts they've given so far maybe they'd like something more manageable tham two max contracts?

Gordon + Khryapa for Battier + Butler + draft rights to Landry.

Khryapa is $2M bench fodder that doesn't play.
Battier gives them a starter locked into a reasonable contract.
Butler consolidates their depth at C.
Landry adds to their frontcourt depth which they've lacked in previous seasons.
Butler and Landry gives them more scoring in their frontcourt something they've also lacked.
Maybe Gordon's bad relationship with Skiles (partly due to him wanting be a starter and play point guard) might seen him moved?

Hinrich Duhon
Deng Sefolosha
Battier Thomas Griffin
Nocioni Smith Landry
Wallace Butler Noah

Gordon James Francis Brooks/NBDL
Bonzi Head Snyder
McGrady Khryapa Harris
Scola Hayes Novak
Yao Deke

Need to be dumped JLIII, Alston, and Reed.

 

Thanks for the info, this seems like a likely scenario to me simply becasue it allows us to get rid of the glut at PG without taking anything back. Deke has an offer he is still weighing, and we can go ahead and resign Hayes. This also sets us up to have some manuverability down the line. If we take on another big contract (JO'neal?), were really committing too much money to too few players (like Boston is now).

Francis/ James/ Brooks/ JLIII
T-mac/Head/Bonzi
Battier/ Bonzi/Novak
Scola/ Hayes/ Landry
Yao/ Butler/ Deke

I'm readly to start the season with this roster, we're gonna have injuries and that's when we'll be thanking God for our depth. When T-mac is getting treatment for his back we'll still field a starting five of:
Francis, Bonzi, Battier, Scola, Yao

Francis' knee turns to mush:
James, T-mac, Battier, Scola, Yao

You wanna run Pheonix off the floor?:
Brooks, Francis, T-mac, Battier, Hayes

Anyway I guess my point is, there is no need to do anything at all. If Morey can find the right situation for Rafer, fine, but we don't need to force anything because we're holding a pretty good hand.

 

lucas and novak for cedric simmons and 2nd round pick. y hornets do this? they need a back up point guard, and lucas can learn from paul. novak can learn alot from peja. y we do this? to clear our the roster. simple and easy.