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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by pgabriel, Jul 25, 2007.

  1. DonkeyMagic

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    parents is the most simple and straight forward answer. but we know that will get nowhere :(
     
  2. Rocket River

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    It is the easiest answer
    but the parent themselves need some help i think
    some more Education.

    We so ready to Say PARENTS and leave it there
    We offer NO assistance to the parents except . . telling them their responsibilities
    OH
    and we also constantly meddling in how they raise their kids
    Telling them what they cannot do and extending that more and more
    [CPS, Etc]
    We handcuff them . . then tell them to raise the kids they way we say they should . . then blame only them for the outcome
    some of the blame is elsewhere
    but
    placing blame ain't gonna help

    If a kid has the crappiest parents in the world
    we should not just look at the kid and say . . TOUGH LUCK KID
    You just pulled the wrong card. . . maybe next life time

    Society is suppose to supplement the individual
    Society is suppose to stronger than its component parts
    [only as strong as its weakest link]
    We cannot afford to keep blaming out weaker links for being weaker links
    we all weak at some point .. and strong in others
    a good society makes it so my weaknesses are covered by your strengths and vice versa
    but the question is. . IS THAT AMERICAN SOCIETY?


    Rocket River
     
  3. DonkeyMagic

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    what i was saying is that a parent can (or should) teach sex ed. i understand the "it takes village" approach but bottom line is better parents is the best place to start. Because ultimately sex ed doesnt prevent pregnancy, its having a kid that realizes the consequences of his actions is what prevents pregnancy. Unfortunately, consequences of ones actions is something thats been dwindling for a while.
     
  4. thegary

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    parents need to be empowered to guide their children in the best way they can. people who struggle to make ends meet may not have much energy left, or too deflated by their own plight, to give their children all the guidance they need and deserve. RR is right that we have to do a better job of helping the less fortunate in this society.
     
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    I completely agree with Rocket River.

    Uneducated parents create more uneducated parents and so on.

    I also agree with not telling them how we should raise their kids but offering them guidance / assistance / support.

    When I "work" down at the shelter I work with some women that live in the city and my approach to dealing with kids and theirs are different. Rather than jump in and act like I knew it all I sat back and watched. Part of how they "parent" is harsher then me but these kids are also being forced to make hard decisions and more critical decisions on their own quicker then other kids I've come in contact with -- just one example of how I could have been judgemental of their parenting where over time I see I didn't really know it all.
     
  6. pirc1

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    Agreed, but how do you actually help them? That is the hard part.
     
  7. thegary

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    universal healthcare and education
     
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    and equitable funded education.......

    We (our taxes) pay to send pre-schoolers to Head Start then send them to underfunded schools.
     
  9. pirc1

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    I completely agree with you there but it won't get done in this country. Maybe universal health care have a shot but not education system.
     
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    The wealthy (and middle class) need to care enough to change the funding from the local district to a higher level and then disperse the funds based upon the number of kids (equally).
     
  11. insane man

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    i think the wealthy do. its the middle class that's scared.
     
  12. thegary

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    the problem is that the middle class is getting squeezed. soon the less fortunate will have to really on the wealthy for progress as regards social equity. we're doomed if we don't right the ship pretty soon.
     
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    The problem is a Republican led state government in Texas that refuses to raise revenue enough to keep up with population growth and inflation. They would rather have children get inadequate health care then (gasp!) raise enough revenue to pay for the most basic services. They would rather cut taxes for the wealthy and for business. They cut taxes, and then wonder why there isn't enough revenue. Actually, the GOP leadership knows why there isn't enough revenue... they just don't give a damn.


    How States Rank on Health Care

    Here is the list of how the states and Washington, D.C., ranked overall. States with the same ranking are listed together.

    1. Hawaii
    2. Iowa
    3. New Hampshire, Vermont
    4. Maine
    5. Rhode Island
    6. Connecticut
    7. Massachusetts
    8. Wisconsin
    9. South Dakota
    10. Minnesota
    11. Nebraska
    12. North Dakota
    13. Delaware
    14. Pennsylvania
    15. Michigan
    16. Montana, Washington
    17. Maryland
    18. Kansas
    19. Wyoming
    20. Colorado, New York
    21. Ohio, Utah
    22. Alaska, Arizona, New Jersey
    23. Virginia
    24. Idaho, North Carolina
    25. Washington, D.C.
    26. South Carolina
    27. Oregon
    28. New Mexico
    29. Illinois
    30. Missouri
    31. Indiana
    32. California
    33. Tennessee
    34. Alabama
    35. Georgia
    36. Florida
    37. West Virginia
    38. Kentucky
    39. Louisiana, Nevada
    40. Arkansas
    41. Texas
    42. Mississippi, Oklahoma

    http://www.webmd.com/news/20070613/how-states-rank-on-health-care



    D&D. Impeach Bush and Cheney.
     

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