how can they do this to their own flesh and blood? At what point did this become cool or ok? it doesn't even have anything religious attached to it. Did the Nazis do this to Germans who associated with Jews? http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL1919223520070719
I don't know where you inferred an action like this is cool or ok. It isn't even normal. This might happen to less than 1% of people living in Kurdistan, much less to happening to 1% of Kurds living in London. These things are just anomalies which doesn't constitute any pattern. It is kind of like saying armed robbery and murder is cool and ok, since you see it on the news everyday. It's not even common, and the only reason people are aware of it is due to the sensationalistic nature of the news business.
England needs to curb the radical muslims there. I was there in january and was reading an artice about how like 50 or 60 % of young muslims supported sharia law.
They do...but your religious beliefs cannot trump the governing law. For instance, if I were a Satanist and believed in the random human sacrifice, the government cannot allow me to kidnap somebody at random and bleed them to death over a pentagram. If I were a member of a sect that thought it ok to steal for the common good, it is still not allowed for me to rob banks to give to the poor. This is no different.
But they could if you were Satanist on the Satanic Pulpit advocating Satanist practices that violated the laws of the land, like human sacrifice, etc.
i should have been more specific. i was referring to the honor killings themselves. and cool or ok is the wrong choice of words, i was just trying to say when did it become accepted or partially accepted.
I think preaching radical Islam should be viewed as a crime. Actually, preaching any kind of radicalism should be viewed as a crime. I take any kind of limits on free speech very seriously, but I think it's clear that radicalism....particularly around taking up a struggle and becoming some kind of martyr in a fight...is really just about persuading people to kill. While I am not sure these people here are radicals or just very conservative and sick, I'm really talking about those in power such as imams or clerics. If we see those who preach hate and violence as criminals, then we should go after them.
who gets to define what is radical? i'm with you in the sense of having real concern over the growth of sharia law around the world. but i'm not sure we "beat it back" in the way you're suggesting. i read a book recently that said that in Islam, the concept of sin is really trapped around the idea of forgetting God. so sharia law is a way to surround yourself all day with the concept of God so you don't forget. to the muslims here...is that a fair representation of the concept? and by the way...i've been reading the Koran more lately...and i'm confused as hell as to how you feel about me as a Christian! in one place it suggests that "those who call themselves Christians are the ones who will be most sympathetic to you." (but that the Jews can't be trusted). other parts suggest that my theology (which, honestly, the Koran radically misinterprets) is an abomination to God that drops me to the level of a non-believer. i'm not trying to make anyone defensive or to start a fight over this...i'm just curious. just trying to understand better.
This is tough, how do you go about that, when there is freedom of speech? I don't see any way you could do that. DD
it is tough. and admittingly, I have second thoughts about this. I'm not opposed to "hate" speach in principle. But it appears that it is being used to manipulate people into violent acts...in which case the speech becomes criminal. Just like yelling fire in a movie theatre. If it can clearly be shown that someone is using speech to inspire violence or injury - then that's should be viewed as criminal....but I'm not a lawyer, and I think this is actually already the case. But I think intelligence organizations need to spend more time learning who is preaching violence and manipulation of minds. And those that do should be thrown in jail...but it needs to be very carefully done since the opportunity for abuse is great.
Having the intelligence people involved, and making them PROVE their case about someone preaching terror or hatred could lead to tons of abuses of that type of power. The situation of the radicilazation of Islam is a major problem now and in the future. Somehow it needs to be stopped, but I think the stopping of it has to come from within Islam itself. Until people that are inside the religion start pointing fingers at the radicals....it will continue to grow and be a big problem. DD
I don't think this story has anything to do with radical Islam, if you know a thing or two about Kurds you'd know they don't follow the Islam as you guys think they do, they are unlike Arabs, they have their own language, culture, history. We've seen this kind of story before in Iraq involving a Kurdish family……the majority follow a very different religion from what dominates that region. Even Arabs consider them barbarians . Their culture hasn't really evolved all that much, they are like the tribes that live in the Amazon...they have their own thing going on... It's funny how quickly some of you guys related this to Islam, for the time (NewYorker,DaDa) you guys spend on the internet, you should/could do some more research.
No, this is clearly an honor killing which I freely admit is more cultural than religious, I was commenting on the radicalization of Islam......brought up prior to my post. Sorry for contributing to the derailing of the thread. DD
