You say he is a good judge of talent cannot be the case. He passed on Melo, Wade, Bosh, J HO, for a guy that doesn't even play for his team any more
If you feel my position is absurb then I'm cool with that. But it's just the way I feel. As I stated before: in the playoffs, a team's flaws get exposed and exploited and that's what happened to the Rockets in the Utah series. Utah then exploited the flaws in Golden State, got to the WCF and were themselves victimized in the same way by San Antonio. San Antonio then exploited the weaknesses of Cleveland and won it all. As things now stand roster-wise, we still have no answer for Williams, Okur and Boozer. To that they've added Almond which I consider more of a plus than Morey's draft of Brooks and Landry. Utah is ahead of the Rockets at this stage because they have been better at putting together their team. That's not a whine but more of a candid admission on my part. Unlike others, it doesn't bother me if other teams get it right. Meanwhile, the Rockets are looking at rectifying mistakes made by the previous regime (James) and Ijust don't see how they can get ahead if they keep recycling players but that's a discussion for best reserved for another day. Again, who is "b****ing and moaning" here? Not me because that would require a far greater level of emotional attachment than I currently possess. You see, my level of "enthusiasm" has been worn down these past 7 years.
We'll just have to differ on what the addition of Mike James means for the Rockets but if he's 1/2 as good as he believes himself to be, then they will have made out OK.
This is Artest remember? What he says one day doesn't necessarily mean he will stand pat on it. It also doesn't mean that he really means it.
Gater, You're never going to get "proof" of any success for statistical analysis because you don't want to hear it. Pritchard and Ferry are both stats guys, but you attribute none of their success to stats. Instead you chalk it up to their basketball background. Same with Morey. You just can't get past the Battier trade and you're going to blame that 100% on Morey and stats. Jeff has told you that he's talked to folks inside the team and that EVERYONE on the basketball side of the house thought that we should pass on Rudy Gay, but in your mind it was all Morey. Portland was terrible and they hired a moneyball GM and it now looks like they are going to be really good in the near future. Danny Ferry is a stats guy and the Cavs have improved tremendously since he took over. San Antonio was one of the first teams to use statistical analysis and they've been pretty successful. That's the only proof that I can give you. Is it definitive proof? Nope, just like you can't show me proof that any moneyball GM has ever failed either. It's a pretty easy game to play. If any "moneyball" GM has success such as Pritchard, Ferry or Buford, you assume that they did it through having a good eye and you give stats no credit. On the other hand you make the assumption that Morey uses nothing but stats, even though he's said the exact opposite many times and it's been documented that our traditional basketball guys liked the moves we made. So how am I suppose to show a track record? There's 3 good examples of moneyball GM's that are having great success. That's a track record whether you want to acknowlege it or not. Pritchard is pretty adament about the use of stats and how much he believes in them, but you seem to have some inside info that tells you that he really doesn't use stats. Why is it so hard to believe that BOTH Morey and Pritchard are using a combination of stats and traditional scouting? Just because Pritchard played basketball, that automatically means that he can't also be a stats guy? I hate to tell you, but Billy Beane was a former player too, so maybe he's just using his baseball experience and there's really no such thing as moneyball. As far a Colangelo, I was never trying to say that he was the norm. In fact, I was saying just the opposite. You refuse to even give Morey any credit for having any type of a Basketball IQ, just because he never played. I was using Colangelo as an exception that proved that to be untrue. So, if Colangelo can become a top GM with no previous experience, then why do you refuse to even entertain the idea that Morey might also be a good GM? I'm still waiting for you to tell us what it is that you think that Morey should have done this offseason? You've told us that you didn't like the draft picks. You didn't like the idea of Amir Johnson, Joe Smith, Brian Skinner or Diagu. Fair enough, but what exactly do you think that he should have done? I'm not seeing this great alternative that we're passing on. I do find it ironic that a bunch of guys with no real basketball background can sit around and complain about NBA teams and think that we know more than GM's, but then turn around an claim that a GM can't possibly be any good because he never played the game in college or NBA. So, Morey doesn't know what he's doing because he didn't play in college or NBA, but somehow we know more than the entire Rocket's front office? Interesting. I forgot, what NBA team did you play for? If Brooks turns out to be really good, you're just going to say that he was Adelman's pick, not Morey's. If Brooks doesn't do well, then he's Morey's pick. If Brooks or Landry plays well in summer league, you'll point to JLIII and Langhi and say that it means nothing. If he doesn't play well, you'll say that it was a bad pick. All I'm asking is for you to tell us what it is that Morey needs to do for you to admit that he's done well. Tell us up front, don't wait until after the fact. Tell us what is the move that Morey can make that will make you happy and that you'll admit it was a good move. After all, if you can't come up with any move that you think are decent, then how is a stats guy with no basketball background suppose to do anything?
Latest news on Johnson... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistons close to $10M deal with Johnson Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 12:41 pm EDT Amir Johnson Detroit Pistons' forward Amir Johnson could re-sign as early as Wednesday. The Pistons are getting close to finalizing a three-year deal with Johnson that would pay him close to $10 million. Pistons general manager Joe Dumars has made it clear across the league that he was matching any offer for Johnson, so teams have pretty much stayed away. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- $3.3 million per year or so for a guy whose career thus far has been based on hype. But obviously Dumars knows more about the guy than most teams. Hopefully this might make Maxiell expendable.
We don't need Maxiell he is another undersized PF. If Amir stays with Detroit - seems likely, then I hope Morey has a plan to get someone.... DD
Kudos to you aelliott. You managed to chalk up a response that I neglected or refused to come up with since I thought it would be pointless. Everybody is too quick to judge Morey's ability. I still have faith in him. We still have a long summer to go. Think about how we would be financially crippled if we were willing to go after the likes of Billups and Lewis. As Morey said at the beginning of the summer, its trades that will help the team now, not the draft or the FA mkt. So sit back and chill. I know its unbearable during the offseason for most of us fans, but you have got to be at least somewhat objective. Remember, Morey is trying to build a contender on top of the mess we've made out of our team the last few years... that in itself is no easy task.
Okay. If we lose out on Amir & make no trade for McDyess, then how about we revisit this young man. He's 6'9" 245lbs. & has shooting range (.342) out to the 3pt line. Houston sends Head/Snyder to Toronto. Toronto sends Jorge Garbajosa to Houston.
U have a wild imagination of things that will never happen. Ur like the stoner of the board with these LSD illusions.
RealGM is saying that the Amir Johnson signing by Detroit is possibly getting held up by San Antonio, who is offering more than Detroit. If we lose him to SAS, I'll be really pissed. If SAS thinks he's worth the whole MLE, why don't WE ??????????????
Because Clutchfans wants Amir. We have NO IDEA what Morey is doing and I don't think he has Amir in his mind. I wish we had an influence on his decsions.
Because San Antionio has a championship front office, and the Rockets try to get by with the left overs. Offer him the full MLE for 3 years with a team option for year four..... At the end of his contract he will only be 23 years old, and very tradeable. Eh.....never mind...what the heck does San Antonio know about talent? They take risks on players and then actually PLAY those players to help them develop...... Did the Rockets get a shooting coach for their players like San Antonio did for Tony Parker? Heck, Calvin Murphy would be an AWESOME shooting coach........dang it.... Nope.....UGH !!!!! SHEESH DD
To be a little bit fair, San Antonio has no needs. I'm not saying they don't have one of the best front offices possibly ever in the NBA's history (think about it, they've been a dominant team going on 15+ years with an exception of one year (which has helped keep them dominant). But, with no needs, they are much better positioned to take on the risk of someone like Amir Johnson. The Rockets have plenty of needs. I'd be okay with gettign him, because I love his potential too, but I think we're better served signing someone with the MLE, regardless of position (though another PG would seem stupid), that can guaranteed be a solid rotational player for the team. It doesn't look like PF will work, so target a SF/SG. There are a few out there.
That depends on whether or not the Rockets have any trades, the team has their starting 5 from last year and has added Mike James.... So, arguably they are better........The Rockets seem to never take risks on young guys, they always get the older veterans.....and it is why teams like San Antonio stay up there, they take some risks and if they don't work out they move them on quickly. Look how many of their young or foreign risks paid off? Parker Ginobli Oberto Udrih DD
It looks like SA is scrutinizing every free agent as you would expect. I wish we had more money to work with to attract free agents. I do not think it right an earlier poster (Mr. Buttocks) compared a 3 year 10 mil deal for /Amir Johnson to six years - 42 mil for Cato-competely different and for shorter term. Chauncy Billups signed with Detroit for 12 mil per season vcompared to six years 126 mil for Rashard. I realize Billups is older- but he is a proven leader-has a ring. Dtroit got more bang for the buck while Orlando is raising the money bar for players Tough to compete for players in this environment
How is San Antonio competing in this same environment, they have a lot of high priced players. I just think it is ownership and their front office willing to take some chances..... The Rockets have not been doing that lately. Ah, nevermind, if Detroit doesn't match it though it sure shows that some GMs know how to call bluffs. DD
San Antonio also has the luxury of being able to wait out Detroit making the decision on whether or not to match the offer. There's not a glaring hole on the Spurs that they may lose out on other potential replacements while waiting on the Pistons to decide.
The Rockets have time if this is the only FA PF they go after becasue any trade for a PF will take more than the 7 days anyway. Put a bid in for him and we are still OK.
