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Yi is not Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dandorotik, Jul 10, 2007.

  1. dandorotik

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    http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=236495

    Who's pulling the strings in the Yi-Bucks mess
    July 10, 2007


    Here's the problem when it comes to, Yi Jianlian, the No. 6 pick in this year's NBA draft: No one seems to know whom to be angry with. The Bucks drafted him, despite not having seen him work out and despite assurances from Yi's representatives that he would not play in Milwaukee. Now, there appears to be a standoff between Yi and the Bucks, with neither side giving an inch. Yi won't sign with the Bucks. The Bucks won't trade him.


    So you could be angry with the Bucks for taking a player who obviously does not want to play for your team. Or you could be angry with Yi for failing to acknowledge the many benefits of playing in Brew City and for the privilege of playing in the NBA at all. Or you could be angry with Yi's representatives for being so stubborn. Or you could be angry with that vague entity, the "Chinese government," cited by many media outlets as the source of the trouble with Yi.

    Here's the reality: Most of us in the media have no idea what we're talking about in this Yi-Bucks situation, which means that most fans don't, either. In fact, I am not sure the Bucks fully understand what (and who) they're dealing with here. I laughed out loud when I read that Bucks owner Sen. Herb Kohl wrote a letter to Yi, requesting to meet face-to-face. What Kohl has to understand is that the situation with Yi has very little to do with Yi himself.

    After conducting a handful of interviews with folks who are in the know on this situation, I can offer you five points to remember that should give a clearer picture of what is going on:

    1. Yi is not Yao. We're not talking playing ability. We're talking gumption. When Yao Ming came into the NBA in 2002, he was more than the first Chinese draft pick. He was a fighter, a guy who was willing to stare down his government and his team in China, the Shanghai Sharks, to fight for his rights as an individual.

    For example, in May 2003, Yao filed suit against the Chinese Basketball Association for selling his image for use in Coca-Cola advertising -- Yao had a contract with Pepsi. This was something athletes in China just did not do. The state controlled athletes. But Yao fought the state, demanded an apology and got it. He later told the New Yorker, "I always put the nation's benefit first and my own personal benefit second. But I won't simply forget my own interests. In this instance, I think that the lawsuit is good for my interests, and it's also good for other athletes. If this sort of situation comes up in the future for another athlete, I don't want people to say, 'Well, Yao Ming didn't sue, so why should you?' "

    As another example, when the Sharks wanted to pick Yao's agent, he fought them on it and eventually won the right to choose his own representation. That willingness to fight is part of Yao's character, and he hoped it would create a legacy for the Chinese athletes who followed. But it appears Yi is not comfortable with that fighting mantle, and you have to hope the progress made by Yao's example will not be given back by Yi's example.


    2. Yi is not in charge. That's why Kohl's request for a meeting, and the Bucks' insistence that they can sell Milwaukee to Yi is laughable. It doesn't matter. Yi himself -- when he is allowed to speak -- seems open to the notion of playing in Milwaukee. When the Bucks surprised everyone and drafted Yi with the No. 6 pick, before Yi had any coaching on how to answer questions about Milwaukee, he was a willing draftee. "I'm not really familiar with the city," he said in the draft interview room. "When I was in China, Milwaukee did not come to watch me play and work out. But I am happy to play with the team and happy to play in the NBA."

    The notion that Yi would not be comfortable in Milwaukee is laughable, too. The fact that Milwaukee has few Chinese residents (1,200) is not necessarily a big negative. Yi will spend little time in Milwaukee, with half of the NBA season on the road and summers with the Chinese national team. The more Chinese there are in his NBA home, the more off-day requests for appearances and speeches there will be. Playing in Milwaukee would afford Yi more anonymity. Imagine what life would be like in Los Angeles or San Francisco.

    If Yi is as good as the Bucks think he is, it won't matter where he plays. His Bucks games will still be shown in China. He will have a tremendous fan base, no matter where he plays.

    3. The Chinese government is not in charge. It's easy to focus on a big, mysterious entity like a foreign Communist government, and make it the enemy (hey, I watched a lot of, "Red Dawn" as a kid, so I know it's easy to be fearful of the Communists). But, understand, there are distinct divisions here. There is the government. There is the Chinese Basketball Association, which is part of the government but does act independent of it. And there is the team that currently has Yi under contract, the Guangdong Tigers.

    The government isn't really involved. The CBA is more involved, but officials of the CBA are not concerned about the market in which Yi plays. Their concern is that Yi is successful, that he has a chance to play and that he is allowed to return to play for the national team each summer (especially the last point -- they want Yi on the Chinese team, and if the NBA team he plays for is OK with that, then the CBA is happy). The Bucks, by all indications, will allow Yi the time he needs for the national team and Yi figures to have as good a shot at success in Milwaukee as anywhere else. He only needs to beat out Charlie Villanueva, who is coming back from an injury, to get himself into the Bucks' starting five, and playing in the East will limit his exposure to the likes of Tim Duncan, Amare Stoudemire and Kevin Garnett.

    Thus, just about everyone appears to be happy with Yi being in Milwaukee.

    4. Ask yourself: Who's not happy with Yi in Milwaukee? That's the question that needs to be focused on. The answer is his agent, Dan Fegan, and the team that has him under contract, the Tigers.

    The bigger question is, "Why?" That requires some speculation. Sources tell me that Yi did not pick his own agent -- instead, the Tigers did what the Sharks tried to do to Yao Ming and pick his agent for him. Yao resisted. Yi did not (or, at least, if he tried to resist, he was not successful). The Tigers picked Fegan and he became Yi's agent, a source told me, without ever having met Yi.

    Just imagine the scenario, then. The Tigers interview agents, and one of their first questions is sure to be, "So, how much of a buyout can you give us?" The team is mostly owned privately, and they knew they could make some real money off of Yi. Fegan is a very slick and accomplished agent. It would only make sense that he would assume he could manipulate the league and promise the Tigers to deliver Yi to a big market with a large Chinese community, where he could make serious endorsement dollars. The Tigers, of course, would get a big slice of those endorsements.

    Milwaukee is the fly in the ointment for Fegan and the Tigers. That's why Fegan did not allow Yi to work out for the Bucks -- if the Bucks actually liked Yi and drafted him, how would Fegan explain that to the folks in Guangdong? That also explains why Fegan has been vocal about trade possibilities.

    5. The Bucks will probably win. The situation is at loggerheads right now. When the Rockets were dealing with signing Yao in 2002, there were a number of slip-ups and tough negotiations, but there was always a sense that Yao would surely wind up in Houston.

    I'm less confident about Yi going to the Bucks, but still, Milwaukee holds the upper hand. Fegan and Yi's Chinese representative can plant as many trade rumors as they want, but the Bucks seem adamant about keeping Yi in Milwaukee and as long as they keep their resolve, they will force Fegan and the Tigers to make a very difficult choice -- to pass on allowing Yi into the NBA this year and force him to go back to play for Guangdong again.

    If he does that, though, the Bucks will retain his rights. As long as he has an overseas contract, he is the Bucks' property. The only way for Yi to escape Milwaukee would be for him to negate his contract with Guangdong and sit out a whole year. He could enter the NBA draft again next year. That would be a pretty big embarrassment to Yi and to the Tigers -- not to mention the NBA, which would have had its draft process stomped on by a handful of malcontents. No way commissioner David Stern is going to stand for that.

    For the record, I thought this was a bad pick for the Bucks on draft night, and I still do, even though my money is on him going to Milwaukee. Bucks GM Larry Harris deserves praise for being bold enough to draft Yi because Harris felt he was the best player available -- he did not let agents or foreign teams push him around. But at some point, the potential for off-court problems must weigh down a player's on-court potential, and with Yi, that point was reached before the draft. Now, even if he does sign with the Bucks, it could be just a matter of a few years before he leaves in free agency.

    When you factor all of that in, I would have taken Corey Brewer.
     
  2. wreck

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    Well said. Its not a cultural difference. It a personal difference and thats what people dont understand.
     
  3. tinman

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2931813

    Tuesday, July 10, 2007
    Chinese fans put full-court press on Yi to be a Buck
    Associated Press

    Chinese fans are urging Yi Jianlian to sign with the Milwaukee Bucks.

    Drafted two weeks ago by the Bucks, Yi has declined to talk about the prospect of signing in Milwaukee. His agent, Dan Fegan, has pushed for a trade and wants Yi in a city with a large Asian influence; Yi's handlers did not allow the Bucks to watch him participate in a predraft workout in Los Angeles. But Bucks general manager Larry Harris said before the draft that he planned to take the best player available and told Fegan he would not shy away from Yi, even though Milwaukee has only about 1,200 Chinese residents.

    "Fegan will hamper Yi's future," former national team coach Qian Chenghai was quoted as saying in Tuesday's edition of the state-run China Daily newspaper. "I don't think Yi refused to join the Bucks, it is Fegan who doesn't want him to join.

    "We don't want to see Yi destroy his reputation in the NBA and return to the Chinese Basketball Association. That's horrible," the coach said.

    Results of an online poll published in China Daily showed 68 percent of 9,000 respondents want Yi to play for the Bucks.
    "Yi, stand up and speak for yourself," China Daily said, citing an article in the Beijing Evening Post. "Don't hesitate anymore and don't let anybody control your life."


    Yi, the sixth player picked overall in the draft, Harris and Bucks coach Larry Krystkowiak met for about an hour at a hotel in Las Vegas, where Yi is playing in the NBA's Summer League, last Thursday to get to know the 6-foot-11 power forward and begin lobbying him to sign with the team.

    Yi has not visited Milwaukee. In Dallas, where the Chinese National Team played a series of exhibitions last week, he declined to talk about the draft or even the prospect of playing for the Bucks.

    In the meantime, Bucks owner and Sen. Herb Kohl has written a letter to Yi, which was delivered by Harris on Thursday, to establish a dialogue with the star.

    "We'll see what happens," Kohl said last week. "We're all in the process of reaching out to try and establish a constructive dialogue with him and his family and representatives."


    This is great! When the Russians started to root for Rocky! its happening now.
    Listen to your people! Chinese people don't hate cheese or bratwurst!
     
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  4. wnes

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    Of course Yi is not Yao. Yao is Shanghainese but Yi is not.

    Shanghainese kick ass.
     
  5. pirc1

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    Oh really? I heard Shanghainese men get their ass kicked. jk :p
     
  6. LFE171

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    yao sure does like to get his ass kicked. haha jk :p

    i guess we all forgot about the "you can't f'in stop me" quote, eh?
     
  7. A_3PO

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    Interesting. Maybe Yi is just a puppet after all. Too bad for him if that is true. Time to grow up and take control of his own life. Hopefully Yao, or someone else who doesn't have a monetery interest, can give him some career advice and guidance. His agent and former team could mess him up by putting their interests in front of Yi's.

    The statement about the Bucks owning his rights, if true, makes this a slam dunk they will win. Obviously he can't sit out a whole year and not play in a basketball league.
     
  8. Carl Herrera

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    At some point, the central government sports officials is going to step in and pressure the Tigers into giving in (to the extent the officials have that power). I'm pretty sure they do not want Yi to waste a year of his career, especially with the Olympics coming up.
     
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    Yao is best man on earth and Yi is just trying to climb mountain of hope to get to level. Yi is still better than all other people. Give him break.
     
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    Finally, someone wrote an article about the Yi situation that is insightful and doesn't just blame the damn reds for everything. I've been saying this for weeks; the problem comes from the unholy alliance of Nike and the Guangdong Tigers, who want to maximize Yi's endorsement dollars, and don't particularly care about his development, so they're willing to hold him out, not from the "evil Communists" or whatever the media always likes to say.
     
  11. YallMean

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    Wow if Yao is more of a fighter than Yi, what does that make Yi?

    I bet you Yi is going to have his first fight in his rookie season. I am still waiting on Yao to pick it up, 5 years into NBA.

    Not dissing Yao, or praising Yi. I just think the writer of this article pulled some stuff out of his rear. Yao's situation and Yi's are different. Yao sued CBA when he was already a national hero, as big as Chairman Mao in some Chinese's minds. Yao had to give up some to gain his status with CBA now. He wasnt able to refuse CBA to play for them in the summer in YMCA level games until this year. If Yi's going to produce in NBA, he will have his way with CBA. Remember Wang, was he a fighter? Defector really. Because he wasnt producing, CBA man handled him.

    Yao handled his situation better than Yi, that I agree.
     
  12. tsunami

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    I don't remember anyone claims that Yi is Yao. Yi's name is Yi Jianlian, and Yao's name is Yao Ming. Totally different names.
     
  13. knickstorm

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    didnt yao end up winning the suit with the cba for 99 cents? not like he took millions from them.
     
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    Fighting on the court = STUPID.
    Fighting for your own rights and protecting them when others are clearly trying to rip you off and take advantage of you = GOOD.

    I have no idea why you're trying to link the two.
     
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    Oh please! Ever heard of Wong Fei Hung? Even Fukianeses are tougher than Shanghainese!
     
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    The author obviously confused the fact that the lawsuit is filed against the Coca-Cola company, not the Chinese Basketball Association. See, e.g., http://www.china.org.cn/english/2003/May/65446.htm
     
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    Just cause Shanghainese are more cultured and shun barbaric acts doesn't make us weak, we work with our mouth instead of our hands :p
     
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    Yao has a passive personality IMO. The evidence of Yao fighting for his rights mentioned is self selcting in the article. Let's not forget Yao and his family conceded to pay half of his salaries to the government and CBA, which had absolutely no business in making such a demand. Of course, Yao of 2002 was different from two years later. The 2002 Yao was much like Yi of now. Yao didnt think if I made this precedent, the other young player would have to do the same later in order to play in NBA.

    Dont take this as a jab at Yao trying to call him hypocrite. Yao sueing Coke in 2004 made him a fighter that Yi's not? Come-on! This is the absurd, most illogical argument I have ever heard. It's a bad comparison. That's why I said it was pulled out from azz.

    Yao sued CBA because he was under contract with Pepsi. The CBA had contract with Coke. CBA put team China's pitcure(with Yao in it noticeably) on Coke's bottle. Yao first asked CBA to stop it, but CBA refused saying it had rights of team China of which Yao is a member. Had Yao not sued Coke, Pepsi would have sued Yao for violating his cotract. Let's not put the whole thing out of context, and automatically bill Yao as the freedom fighter standing up against athority. I love Yao to death, but we have to be honest here.

    And linking this incident to Yi's current situation is just stupid. The writer didnt get the facts rights and made a wrong comparison on top of it.


    I watched Yi a few games. I can tell the kid has fire in him and love to show emotion and showboat a little bit. Dont label him passive because of off-court matters. The writer is right about one thing, this whole odeal is beyond Yi's control right now. The kid is new to the coutry, barely over drinking age, give him a break. He will learn.
     
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    Yao is a lover, not a fighter.

    The author is 'reaching', to put it mildly...
     
  20. Carl Herrera

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    You have actual proof to support this claim?
     

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