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Francis making a run at player of the Month...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by crash5179, Nov 1, 2001.

  1. Toast

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    As long as we're still winning, I don't think you'll see too many posts bashing Mobley, Francis, or shoot even Cato.

    If we go on a losing streak, though, watch out.
     
  2. ROXRAN

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    Remember last year? ...I may have gone off the deep end, but I said: Steve francis WILL BECOME THE GREATEST ALL AROUND POINT GUARD IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA<>>>BANG< BANG!!!!!

    At first, I was kinda hyping, but now I am starting to believe it a bit.
     
  3. Lil Francis

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    Yeah I saw that commercial. I hope they had a string on his shirt because it would blow my mind if that was really him jumping that high. Did you see the one when he took the ball behind his back while in mid air? That was amazing.
     
  4. The Voice of Reason

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    crash, we must be reading different posts and articles.
    i have definately read the negative comments you say you havet seen, however im not in the mood to look them up and aire them for yoiu, and besides that would be petty, and well argumentative. i actually tend to avoid threads like this one, i see it as a positive thread that well is usually filled with nothing new, and all kinds of hype. i really hate hype, so i avoid. (just why im probably the only NYer that is not waving a yabkee flag right now) i posted in this one to fent my minor frustration




    as far as other points. Iverson?? well he is a decent shooter, whats the matter with him being mvp??

    im not nor have i ever said steve was a bad shooter, but he hasnt "pitched a perfevt game" so to speak. he shot horribly rebounded well and distributed poorly for his position. go steve. if you take out the NBA refs love of steve and took away all those free throws, he dosnt look too super any more.(i know he used his skill and ability to draw legit fouls, but im sure you can remove your blinders and see my point. btw, great free throw shooting

    ok this has to be said!!
    the weakest excuse in the world is when you claim you arnt getting assists because the guys you pass to arnt finishing!!!
    sure there are lots of situations in the game of NBA basketball which can change wether you get the statisticians nod or not. there is the dribble, the extra pass, the missed shot, and more, but please dont insult steve by using the weakest excuse in the book. maybe those players missed because he didnt put the ball in their hands at the right time, maybe he gave it to them at the wrong time, maybe Kenny thomas and cuttino(who we know isnt a passer) had simular assist numbers.what does that mean?

    to say steve got low assists because of rice is to say that cato rebounded poorly because cuttino shot well??!!
    jason kidd seems to do qite well for himself every game every season no matter how bad of a shooting team he plays for, and how cold they are on any particular night.

    again its just 2 games, and all i wanted was to point out that steve has been less than steller, so maybe we shouldnt cannonize him yet. let him earn it first. im sure he will, but at least let him earn it.

    PEACE
     
  5. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    The Voice of Reason:

    I see that you brought my name up about Mobley "taking bad shots". I gather that you got this from the thread, "A Look Back at Tonight's Games (Players' Grades)". Here's what I said about Mobley and Francis:

    I don't see how you think that I was saying that Mobley took some bad shots..I admit that I thought he made some bad decisions, but I also said that Francis forced some shots, too.

    I know the perception on this BBS is that Francis can do no wrong, but I'm not in that group. If I feel that the Franchise did not play well, I will say so.
     
  6. The Voice of Reason

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    manny, i know you are NOT a sheep,

    its cool, i just remembered your post as one of several, and i think there was like 2 others in that thread, and clutch's game recap, but its not about being nit picky, its just that all the posts/articles i saw were incredibly pro steve, and there were some disparaging remarks agains cuttino and others. my problem is like you said, the steve can do no wrong attitude.

    no Knock on clutch or anything, but he is no Cat lover(wow thats foor english)
    i cant tell you how many games cuttino not only had a great game, but he also had a great statistical game and there would be hardly a mention of himplaying the game. however someone like moochie, or langi, getting so much as 4 pts and a steal were heralded. and of course there has been much mention of that steve guy.

    i really wanna know... where is the love
    dude dosnt even get paid
    hell i bet alot of you still think shandon should start over him.. seriously
     
  7. crash5179

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    Voice,
    One of the things that make Steve and Cat special is their ability to contribute even when a crucial part of their game is not working. Against L.A. Cats shot was not falling but he still found a way to get 18 pts 10 boards and 3 steals. Thats what good players do. Steve shot 50% from the feild against L.A. and dominated the overtime period not to mention the numbers that were previously posted. But his numbers over the last two games are Jordan like as were the end result of Steve basically winning the game at the end.

    I'm not claiming he will keep it up all year but this is clearly a different level than he has played at the last two years.

    You don't seem to have a problem with Iverson winning the MVP last year so why would you have a problem with Steve if he could continue contributing at this pace? If Steve continues to have the type of impact all season as he has had the first two games then he should certainly be a candidate. Steve was clearly the best player on the court the first two games. Before you chime back with Shareef or Brand playing as well as Steve just remember that they could not get it done during crunch time and Steve did.

    Before I end this I will be glad to admit that Steve does not get the ball in scoring position to his team mates as well as Jason Kidd or maybe some other pure point guards in the league but when Rice, Walt and others go 2 for 15 for wide open shots I don't think you can place the intire blame on Steve. The team as a whole has not shot the ball well from outside this year and Rudy's offense is built around players knocking down the outside shot.
     
  8. Gutter Snipe

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    Is the voice of reason a non-english speaker or drunk? I seem to remember enjoy reading some of his posts before, but the non-capitalization and poor spelling are kind of getting to me tonight. What's up VOR? Are you mocking young posters who hype Steve and use poor grammar, etc in their posts?

    If you are actually a non-native english speaker, then please forgive me, I mean no offense. In that case, I would just mention that using proper capitalization would go a long way towards making your posts more effective.

    However, if you are simply being lazy, you should know a large number of the readers of this BBS will judge you and your opinions by your writing style. I think you are more intelligent than your posts show and don't care to put the effort into writing them legibly.

    That's up to you - but it would be nice not to have to labor or suffer eye strain reading your posts.

    Thank you.

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    This message has been edited by the Grammar Police.
     
  9. vj23k

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    Let's let him win us some more games before handing him player of the month titles...
     
  10. The Voice of Reason

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    Sorry Snipe.

    Unfortunately I am a native speaker as well as writer I suppose. I have always Capitolized well and punctuated, but for some reason on the BBS I do neither. Also, I have good days and bad days. I appologize for making it a strain on your eyes, but its smoething that i do subconcheously. Now spelling I have always sucked at.
    As far as other posters being turned off by my style. wel bahh humbug. I am not out for popularity. infact i often anger and rouse other posters. Since Ibve been doing this for more than a gear now, and have over 100 posts to my credit(most of them long) I am pretty sure that most people know that my style may suck, byt the substance is at least worth reading.

    Again appologies.

    Peace
     
  11. empiric

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    Steve's stats from first two games arer really good, but... you have to know that Hawks and Clippers have one of the worst point guards in the league: Emmanuel Davis, Jeff McGinnis. It will be really good, if ha have such a numbers against Gary Payton or Jason Kidd.
     
  12. Gutter Snipe

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    Thanks for your reply Voice of Reason. Once again you have lived up to your name. I'm sorry if I came off a little harsh, but I guess it was just the end of a long week of coding. All the coding tends to make me a little anal retentive as well I guess. I'll try to keep the Grammar Police bottled up in the future. :)
     
  13. B

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    Steve's numbers are great so far (minus the shooting %), but I'd have to give the edge to Nick Van Exel. He is currently averaging 35.5 points 8.5 assists, 4.5 rebounds and 52.9% from 3 point land. If Denver beats the Kings tonight and he gets over 25 points, I'd say Nick has player of the week locked up. Just my thought on the matter.

    B
     
  14. crash5179

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    35.5 ppg 8.5 apg and 4.5 rpg

    compared to

    27.5 ppg 5.5 apg 11 rpg and 3 spg

    I give the edge to Steve but of course I am biased lika mutha.
    Both players are putting up player of the week type stats.

    I would also like to add that Steve leads his team in:
    points per game
    rebs per game
    assists per game
    steals per game
    and
    f/t % at 88%

    And here is my Voice of Reason stat so he does not feel like I am blind to Steve's problem areas. He also leads the team in:
    Turn overs at 4.5 a game.
    and he also has a very bad assist to turnover ratio.
     
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  15. gr8-1

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    Why is it that some people think it's a crime to be both a Cat and Stevie fan? They're both great players and they love each other. So far, Steve has better #'s but who cares? We need both of them. Just cuz you like Steve doesn't mean you have to hate Cat. And that works the other way also. So far, STeve is having a great statistical year, and some of you can't seem to deal with that.


    I think Steve has played well against Payton.
     
  16. gr8-1

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    Why is it that some people think it's a crime to be both a Cat and Stevie fan? They're both great players and they love each other. So far, Steve has better #'s but who cares? We need both of them. Just cuz you like Steve doesn't mean you have to hate Cat. And that works the other way also. So far, STeve is having a great statistical year, and some of you can't seem to deal with that.


     
  17. heypartner

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    gr8-1 and crash,

    You know I'm not one for looking at stats alone. Even still, I'm am so thrilled with Steve. His decision-making is so much better now. I can't really even pin-point it, though started noticing it immediately in pre-season. He has no hesitation and is not making bad decisions....which for him means making the game too difficult. He has the talent to make this game simple. The last two years, he made it look difficult a lot. Looks like he is putting it all together now to me.

    Having a better SF position is helping, too. What I'm looking for now is to see if the league tries to trap him way out high again like they did after he won Player of the Month his rookie year. Minnesota was hands down the best team at that strategy. I don't see that strategy working anymore. Rice and Mobley will keep defenses more honest this year....stay off our Franchise!

    I expect Minn to trap Francis with Garnett and force the game out of his hands. This is a good test tonight.
     
  18. The Voice of Reason

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    I gotta say, I think Clutch threw me a bone. Weather he knew it or not, his write up is just the kind of stuff i was asking for, and well pretty damn accurate. so i guess im happy, and well even if its just this one time i will be pretty content for a while.

    as far as player of the month, its Nick hands down right now, that dude is on fire.

    as far as loving both steve and Cat, well of cource I do, equally, HELL NO!! but that has something to the fact that i never had anything to do with Maryland U, But Rhode Island was my Life for a few years. and when you knew a guy, even if barely, before he was a success, its hard to just sit silently as his performance is forgotten. I am vert proud of Cuttino, so please forgive my enthusiasum. :)

    now i dont mind how steve shot tonight. its not great, but its at least better than 1/3 I still do have a problem with the lack of assists, but i hope that will come. and let someone else rebound for gods sake :)


    peace
     
  19. B

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    Van Exel had 32 points, 9 boards and 7 assists in a losing effort. With 2 losses it may be hard to get POW, but stat wise I think Nick has earned it. Oh, Nick was 12-25 from the field and 7-7 from the free throw line tonight.

    B
     
  20. vj23k

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    Steve with a solid, but less than spectacular night tonight.

    13, 7, 4.
     

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