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CBS: Brief Scouting reports on Morris, Martin, Mimh, etc. Summary too.

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Got these over at CBS, I'm only mentioning the ones the scouts are really interested right now.

Terence Morris

Morris has played up to expectations. He’s shown a willingness to be the go-to-guy, (17.6 points per game) although he plays on a team of shooters. He’ll do the little things (34 blocks, 15 steals) to help his team and has been given tough defensive assignments. His perimeter range is improving (57% shooting), but with Morris it will never be any one thing, it’ll always be the sum of his skills. Simply, he’s a complete player with a large variety of skills.

Kenyon Martin

No player in the preseason top 15 has given more reasons to move up than Martin. He has been unstoppable all season long (16.5 points; 9 rebounds; 2.5 blocks), has demonstrated an NBA quality perimeter game and brings energy, leadership and a winning attitude to every practice and game. Scouts are convinced that Martin is a top-five selection in the draft and will be a successful power forward at the next level.

Chris Mihm

Another fast rising player, Mihm is the picture of consistency and hustle. His defensive play is outstanding and he has gotten out of the gate with passion. As the Longhorns go-to-guy, he has shown fine leadership skills and on a team with several offensive weapons clearly wants the ball in clutch situations. The pro guys will continue to flock to Austin, Texas to keep in step with his progress. Mihm is quickly becoming a top-five selection whenever he elects to enter the draft.

Hanna Mottola

An early season injury prevented Mottola from playing until late December, when in just the three games back he’s averaging 25.7 points, 6.3 rebounds and is shooting nearly 62% from the floor. He is still held in high regard by the pro guys, but they will take a closer look as he comes back from the injury.

Chris Porter

Some players are performing as if all they have to do is just show up and take the bows. Porter has played just that way. His shooting had dropped under 38% (it’s 42.3% as of Dec. 21) despite the ultra soft early schedule that Auburn played. Now with draft position on the line and SEC games on the horizon, it’s time for Porter to put up or watch his draft stock take a nosedive.

Jamal Magloire

Apparently, CBS didn't think he was lottery pick material.

Mark Madsen

Regarded as a "tweener" by many talent evaluators, Madsen may be able to switch from college power forward to NBA small forward after all. His energy and overall hustle may propel him past the doubters and allow him a chance to play at the next level. Possessing more heart than the bulk of most college players, Madsen may just gut his way towards the NBA.

CBS summed it up great.

Among many changes in the player rankings during December were the falls of three potential NBA lottery picks.

Auburn's Chris Porter dropped from third overall to 19th. His plummet was attributed to a poor start and his below-40-percent shooting. Scouts and coaches saw this as either a slump or Porter giving less than 100 percent during a soft portion of the Tigers schedule.

North Carolina's Ed Cota dropped from sixth to 15th. He has distributed the ball fairly well but hasn't displayed the flashiness that had been expected. Against Indiana in the Jimmy V. Classic, Cota all but disappeared offensively and offered little defensively.

Tar Heels center Brendan Haywood faired even worse than Cota. Haywood's string of seemingly uninspired efforts and inconsistent play caused a tailspin from the seventh spot down to 35th. Scouts are getting frustrated with all that talent and all that lack of energy. He'll go for 18 points and 12 rebounds one night, then offer 3-of-15 shooting and 4 rebounds the next night. To go high in the draft, Haywood needs to be more consistent. To survive at the next level, he needs to raise his game. Until such time, scouts will continue to question Haywood's value.

But just as players have dropped, players also have risen.

Maryland's Terence Morris continues to hold onto the No. 1 spot, but Cincinnati's Kenyon Martin virtually has caught him. Martin trails Morris by 0.01 and, if he continues to be dominant, could pass the Terps star by this time next month. Martin has exhibited all the right stuff and his game has energized the scouts who have seen him play.

Texas center Chris Mihm is right behind the two leaders; he trails Martin by the same margin Martin trails Morris. What makes this intriguing is that Arizona's Loren Woods has moved to fourth overall and is only fractions behind the pack. In fact, the top four players are so close that only 0.09 separates them.

Well, well, well...its the Morris vs Martin vs Mimh debate now. This should get quite interesting.

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#1 rocketsfan34, Jan 14, 2000

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Terrence Morris :

Great height for a small forward. He is 6'9 but needs to add a LITTLE bit more meat. He rebounds well, scores well and has excellent defense.

I wouldnt mind drafting him. But ..

Kenyon Martin:

He is the best college player right now, has great leadership. He rebounds really well, has a nice 15 footer now, awesome defense, runs the floor like a pg. This is the player I would love to draft.

Chris Mihm :

Dont watch alot of him, from what i have seen is he has good defense and has a nice inside game.

But I wouldnt even consider drafting him.

We need a SMALL FORWARD OR A POWER FORWARD>

#2 Francis3, Jan 14, 2000
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Morris

I think he would be solid compliment to Francis. But Morris should go higher than Martin just becuase he has more potential.

Martin

I'm just unsure how much his height will affect him in the NBA. I know he has huge hops and great timing. I think he would be a great pick cuz he has a solid jumper and great d. Exactly what we need.

Mimh

We could always draft Mimh then move cato to PF. Since you've seen him a little. Can this guy run? We are an uptempo team and I'm not sure if Mimh's shooting jumpers all game would make him very effective.

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Mihm has a nice touch, runs the floor ok, and is active on the glass... kind of a Laimbeer without the ugly disposition. If precedent is any indication, he would be an excellent fit with the current offensive philosophy employed by the rocks, i.e. letting the team greyhounds create without a large left-block obstacle to contend with. Mihm could stay at the high post and flick midrange shots all day as long as the speedburners command the defense's attention.

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#4 payaso, Jan 14, 2000
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I dont know about Mihm. I just dont think we need a center. Even if we do need a center, we dont need one now. We have to first get either the small forward position fixed or the power forward.

#5 Francis3, Jan 14, 2000
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This thread is emphasizing seniors way too much. I know RF34: no one can know who the underclassmen are that will come out.

I'm just saying, if we are going to be prepared by lottery time for knowing the best picks, and have these threads, let's talk about any of the best college players.

For sure, the best player in the draft is *rarely* a senior anyhow. And Francis3, are you favoring Martin because of superior athletic ability in a boys game...that's a ticket to disaster in the NBA draft.

Troy Murphy (sophmore) will make Big East MVP at this clip (25/11 56%) and all-american 1st team. He's walking through the Big East while being double-teamed. I've got to put him higher than several of those Sr's on RF34's list.

Without guessing who'll come out or not...let's add some underclassmen to RF34's list and some foreigners if we can find them....anyone know where the foreign league stats are kept on this global sports network that other people call the Internet.

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Thanks for the description, payaso. So far from basically reading what other say about him, cuz I don't get to watch them much (no cable ), I'm just picturing Mimh has a white version of Admiral, Martin as Malone, and Morris as Shareef. Would you say this pretty accurate?

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Heypartner

The ones I listed were NOT MY SELECTIONS. These are by the ROCKET SCOUTS. Here's what they said.

Houston is looking at getting some youth in the frontline and an athletic small forward as well. Some scouts have said that they will draft the best player available no matter what the need is. They are looking at players as if they were going to start a new franchise. Some that have sparked an interest is Hanna Mottola, Chris Porter, Kenyon Martin, Jamal Magloire, Mark Madsen, and of course Mihm. They really like Terence Morris.

Popeye then replied:

RF34:

That without a doubt, is very accurate reporting. That is exactly what the Rox scouts are saying.

That's where my list comes from. It's not that they don't want Murphy or Richardson. Its just that they want to get a good franchise forward this year and Murphy may or may not come out this year. The reason its so seniorish is cuz they are preparing for this year's draft and they should be focusing mostly on the seniors and juniors.

Its true that Murphy is better than a few of them, but I was just listing the profiles from the list. I would have also included Murphy, Richardson, if I wasn't following that list.

Francis3

...They also said the Rockets were especially high on both Morris and Mihm. They have specific scouts assignments for each of the guys you mentioned (and of course, several more)...

I know you don't like Mimh and love Martin, but be prepared that the final person the Rockets target could be between Morris and Mimh, not Martin. If I were you, pray we choose Morris if that's the case.

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I think that we already have that slap(block) happy player (Cato) that we need, and picking up Martin is adding a player in that same light. I'm not saying we shouldn't get him come draft day. But these are our two main concerns:

Small Forward:

Rockets need a quick, and athletic 3 willing to run the floor with FAM (Francis, Anderson, Mobley). Morris provides the goods here as well as being a heck of a player. Who knows how the chips could fall draft day but we could very well have a shot at him. He is the jackpot beneath the rainbow as far as this team is concerned.

Power Forward:

Here the Rockets need to get a player that can be a real go to guy in the post. This will provide the Rockets as a stronger threat in the half court set. If all else fails in the draft I say take Mihm with the pick and have a Cato(5), Mihm(4). I am not opposed to Mihm, as a big power forward. Because we don't really need another center. This would be interesting verse San Antonio.

What I see more likely though is the picking up of a power forward in free agency. An Anthony Mason or some such free agent. Morris, Martin(maybe due to thin frame), Porter, Peterson(not to big on this guy) all are going to run 3 in this league. Mihm may play 4 for us.

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Its either between Morris or Martin. Those are the only two I like in the draft right now.

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Francis3, but you must except that who you like has no bearing on whether or not those players will be available when it comes time for the Rockets to pick.

And we will likely select with the 4th pick.

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You know what Im really scared about.. What if when the clock hits on the Houston Rockets, and Morris and Martin are gone?

Its going to be tough, But say that they are gone and Mihm is available. I still dont want Mihm, I dont think we need to even look at any centers, just go after a pf or a sf.

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Just because he played center in college doesn't mean he'll play center in the pro's and goes especially true for us, who already have a 42 million dollar center. If the Rockets tak Mihm than they will be believing in a twin tower system, and that the positions 1 to 3(point to small forward) will still be able to run gun and uptempo.

I still want Morris.

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I see exactly what the rockets are doing. They are flirting with 2 different paths.

1.They can select a forward now with Martin or Morris and then when Dream retires obtain a center.

2. They can select a center now in Mimh and then when Dream retires pick up a forward.

Idea 2 is the more safer pick, but right now they can't really decide cuz they know Mimh has almost reached his ceiling and Morris hasn't. Which path would you rather take? Path 1 means bigger risk but bigger reward. While Path 2 means safe pick.

CaucasionSensation-Also I think we WILL be trading up. Our position really won't matter much. Probably along the lines of our pick + drew for the higher pick (Morris, Martin, or Mimh. Whoever they decide).

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Watch Rudy T pick a unknown player and shock us all.

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While stranger things have happened...

ROcketfan34,

do you really think the Bulls, Warriors, or Clipps or anybody would want to exchange the players that could be taken at that position for the compensation of Drew.

I think it is more likely that the Rocks could use that 1rst round pick from Detroit(they have option as to which year they give it, I think or have heard) and then something or Drew.

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I'm assuming (you know what happens when you assume) that we'll have detroit's pick. Grant Hill might not be in the next few years, and the Pistons would consequently suck and want their prime picks. I questioned about this a few months ago and someone responded that the Pistons will have to decide the status of their pick before either of the following occurs:

1) the balls fall
2) before free agency occurs for Hill

i guess both picks will give us the luxury of having the following problem, i'm curious to see how we get past it:

can we use cato to trade up?
how about cuttino? or both?

I of course think that our problem is not just 3 or 4, b/c I don't think of Anderson as a 2: he's too industrious but not enough of a scorer for that. If we cannot get Morris, what 2s are worth a damn?

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Why would we want to trade Cato?

Its hard to get good young talented centers.

Why would we want to trade mobley?

Unless its for McGrady I can see why, but to move up? That's what Drew is for.

Why would we want to draft a SG?

We have mobley and anderson already. Why would we want another one. Don't get your logic.

To answer your question Richardson and Demarr are two of the more talented 2s if they come out.

We need forwards, Morris is a big 3 or 4. Kenyon is the same. That's why we've been hyping them up so much, cuz they're the best at that position. We need forward help not guard.

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Achebe,

Trading Cato will not happen. He's second in line to Francis as cornerstones to this franchise.

Shooting Guards aren't really something that we are in dire need of. 3 and 4 are positions to worry about.

Rocketfan,

McGrady is not coming here at this point end of discussion. Mobley is not in his category as of yet no matter how hard and continuously we try to hype him.

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Why do you all assume Mihm and Morris will go in the first round. I think they go undrafted in 2000. I think they will go in the first round in 2001 though. Remember, they are Juniors. That makes it even tougher to get any one of those 3. If they don't come out early then you know Martin will go top 3 and the Rocks are stuck with somebody else. Who's to say where the Rocks will pick anyway. This team had to start all over with all the injuries and will possibly win more with Dream, Catom, and Rogers back. They might even MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. So this is pure speculation.

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