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Supreme Court strikes down Louisville school assignment programs

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by geeimsobored, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. geeimsobored

    geeimsobored Member

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    What do people think about this?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070628/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_rdp_5;_ylt=AsENNQmpVayQoCXUeQUMlcoE1vAI

    Court limits schools on race, stops execution

    WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected school assignment plans that take account of students' race in two major public school districts. The decisions could imperil similar plans nationwide. The Court also blocked the execution of a Texas killer whose lawyers argued that he should not be put to death because he is mentally ill.
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    Today is probably the Court's last session until October.

    The school rulings in cases affecting schools in Louisville, Ky., and Seattle leave public school systems with a limited arsenal to maintain racial diversity.

    The court split, 5-4, with Chief Justice John Roberts announcing the court's judgment. Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a dissent that was joined by the court's other three liberals.

    Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote a concurring opinion in which he said race may be a component of school district plans designed to achieve diversity.

    He agreed with Roberts that the plans in Louisville and Seattle went too far. He said, however, that to the extent that Roberts' opinion could be interpreted as foreclosing the use of race in any circumstance, "I disagree with that reasoning."

    The two school systems in Thursday's decisions employ slightly different methods of taking students' race into account when determining which school they would attend.

    In the case involving the mentally ill killer in Texas, the court ruled 5-4 in the case of Scott Louis Panetti, who shot his in-laws to death 15 years ago in front of his wife and young daughter.

    The convicted murderer says that he suffers from a severe documented illness that is the source of gross delusions. "This argument, we hold, should have been considered," said Justice Anthony Kennedy, who wrote the majority opinion.

    Panetti's lawyers wanted the court to determine that people who cannot understand the connection between their crime and punishment because of mental illness may not be executed.

    The Eighth Amendment of the Constitution bars "the execution of a person who is so lacking in rational understanding that he cannot comprehend that he is being put to death because of the crime he was convicted of committing," they said in court papers.

    In a third case, the Court abandoned a 96-year-old ban on manufacturers and retailers setting price floors for products.

    In a 5-4 decision, the court said that agreements on minimum prices are legal if they promote competition.

    The ruling means that accusations of minimum pricing pacts will be evaluated case by case.

    The Supreme Court declared in 1911 that minimum pricing agreements violate federal antitrust law.
     
  2. geeimsobored

    geeimsobored Member

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    I was going to wait and see what people think and I'm surprised that this isn't a big deal. As someone who worked with students in an East Austin high school, I've seen first hand, the effects of ending desegregation programs.

    East Austin used to have busing programs designed to achieve racial inequality. The school I worked at was considered one of the best in Austin, despite being in a relatively poor neighborhood in east Austin. And within 5 years of ending most desegregation programs, the school plummeted and is now one of the worst in Austin and ending those programs have led to a virtual divide in Austin between schools in the west and the east in terms of resources, quality of education, and facilities. The schools in the east have become more and more corrupt with administrators that don't give a damn about students.

    And personally, this decision just ticks me off as someone who's seen the effects of ending these programs firsthand. I really worry about the state of our schools today and the economic and social divide being created between urban and suburban schools.

    Also, on a sidenote, this sort of stems from the fact that Brown v. Board basically ceded the issue of desegregation to the courts instead of Congress and as a result, the schools have been left to the mercy of the courts, instead of electable officials. Sort of the same reason why Roe v. Wade is in many ways harmful by the fact that it took an issue we debate all the time out of the hands of accountable officials.

    Sometimes the courts are incredibly progressive and other teams equally regressive (depending on your political orientation.)
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    Well, it would kind of suck for someone to say "you are of this race, so you have to go to get bussed to this school."

    I am all for diversity, perhaps there are other means of achieving it. Vouchers, anyone?
     
  4. CBrownFanClub

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    Freaking huge deal, and awful. Welcome back "separate but equal."

    GWB stacked that court very nicely, we can all enjoy the fruits of his ideology for decades to come.
     
  5. geeimsobored

    geeimsobored Member

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    Vouchers don't work and I've never seen any good evidence to indicate that to be the truth. In fact, studies have shown that at best, the scores are the same for kids in public schools versus voucher kids.

    Not to mention, the claim that vouchers create competition for public schools has routinely been de-bunked. Cities that have implemented voucher programs have seen schools just fold in response. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, with students leaving via vouchers, schools have even less money and thus an inability to improve themselves.

    This wasn't a busing case but instead dealt with school assignment, but the end result is very similar. Plus the Kentucky district is unique in that it has urban and suburban schools within the same district and hence there was a perceived need to prevent the creation of a massive urban/suburban divide. The supreme court already prohibited inter-district desegregation remedies in the Milliken cases many years ago, but now it looks like the court is striking down intra-district remedies, striking at the core of modern desegregation policy.

    The divide between urban and suburban schools is getting worse and worse every year and rulings like this just don't help.
     
  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Treat everyone the same under the law, regardless of skin color? The horror.
     
  7. Rocket River

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    No Surprising.

    Rocket River
     
  8. mc mark

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    Resegregation here we come!
     
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    I think actually in many of the cases, using income to diversify the schools is better than race, SC did not say that is illegal, it just said using race as the only factor is illegal.
     
  10. mc mark

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    I can't find it yet, but apparently one of the judges in their dissent yesterday laid into the "conservative block" of the court about changing in one year more precedent than any court in history. Apparently the conservatives on the bench didn't like his comments too much. I've got to find it.

    [edit] It was Breyer...

    Speaking of the new conservative majority of the court...

    "So few," Breyer said, "have so quickly changed so much." He ended his dissent, saying that "this is a decision that the court and the nation will come to regret."

    Court term ends with obvious frustration
     
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  11. SamFisher

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    It was breyer, read about it in the UChicagoo law school faculty blog, should be in Stone's piece.
     
  12. mc mark

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    link?
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I would seem to me you could get around this with a general lotto system.
     
  15. hotballa

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    not seeing the big deal. i grew up in a very poor and black neighborhood. never worried or thought about trying to goto a more white school. The solution is making sure each SCHOOL gets treated equally, then we wouldn't have to worry aobut busing kids.
     
  16. geeimsobored

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    well of course each school should be treated equally but sadly unless you can think of another way to do that besides engaging in busing and assignment programs (or any of the other suggested alternatives), then please share that with us.

    I think having more diverse schools has its own merits but this sort of separation between urban and suburban schools can't possibly be good. Also, I'm not sure what school you went to, but some urban areas in America practically have death traps for schools. Not to mention the administrations that run those schools are so corrupt that money is wasted on giving extra jobs to friends instead of spending it on building facilities and improving classrooms. Some high schools in urban Kansas City have dropout rates that have climbed to nearly 80%. Same with Detroit. Some level of reform has to occur, or else this will just become a more common trend.
     
  17. hotballa

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    if its that bad, then why would busing kids to that kind of school simply because of their color be any more unfair to them than for the kids already in that school?

    I dont know any solutions for the issue, but I'm pretty certain I don't want kids punished educationally simply because they're white.
     
  18. mc mark

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    More on the first full year of the conservative cour...er..Supreme Court.

    Loyal Bushies on the Bench

    Yesterday's 5-4 decision by the Supreme Court in a landmark racial desegregation case, which instructed local authorities "that they cannot take modest steps to bring public school students of different races together," marked a fitting yet disappointing conclusion to the first full term of President Bush's two Supreme Court appointees, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito. Reading his dissent from yesterday's decision aloud in the courtroom, Justice Stephen Breyer aptly described the court's sharp rightward slide. "It is not often in the law that so few have so quickly changed so much," he said. The majority opinion, authored by Roberts, served as a microcosm for the traits that have quickly come to define the Court: an alarming lack of respect for precedent, irreverence for the democratic process, and disregard for constitutional history. Early in his first term, Roberts publicly proclaimed his desire to seek greater consensus, but his "fractious" Court has produced a "higher share of 5-4 decisions than any term in the last decade." He has forced Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg to undertake rare readings of "powerful dissents from the bench," a sign of the concern that marks the new divisive era on the Court. Despite how out-of-the-mainstream the high court currently is, it could get even worse. "It is a conservative court, but at the same time, just barely so," said constitutional scholar Eugene Volokh, noting the "moderating influence" of Justice Anthony Kennedy. Were an opening on the Court to arise in Bush's remaining days in office, he would likely view it as an opportunity to use whatever little political capital he has left to challenge the Senate and empower his legion of "activist conservatives intent on leading a judicial counterrevolution."

    AGENDA-DRIVEN DECISIONS: The New York Times opined that yesterday's racial desegregation decision "is the height of activism: federal judges relying on the Constitution to tell elected local officials what to do." But it did not occur by accident. Instead, the newly-emboldened conservative wing of the Court has picked cases on appeal through which it could implement its agenda. When Justice Sandra Day O'Connor was still on the Court, the justices denied review to a racial desegregation school program in Massachusetts. But in June of last year, "the court, reconfigured by the additions of Roberts and Alito, announced, over the unrecorded but vigorous objection of the liberal justices, that it would hear" the school desegregation appeals, even though there was no disagreement in the lower courts on the validity of such programs. In a separate case on price-fixing announced yesterday, Breyer asserted, "I am not aware of any case in which this Court has overturned so well-established a statutory precedent." Slowly, legal and political scholars are taking notice of the Court's new activism. Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute said the Supreme Court's decision this week in a campaign finance reform case demonstrated "not a careful, conservative deference to Congress" but instead "a willingness by Roberts to toss aside Congress' conclusions to fit his own ideological predispositions."

    A FALSE PROMISE: When Bush nominated Roberts and Alito, he argued they deserved bipartisan support because they would "interpret the Constitution and the laws faithfully and fairly, to protect the constitutional rights of all Americans," and they would not "impose their preferences or priorities on the people." Roberts went before Congress and testified that he had "no agenda." He added, "Saying a judge is result-oriented...[is] about the worst thing you can say, because what you're saying is you don't apply the law." For his part, Alito said he believed "the judiciary has to [interpret broad principles of the Constitution] in a neutral fashion. I think judges have to be wary about substituting their own preferences, their own policy judgments for those that are in the Constitution." (Read more of their false promises here.) Duke University law professor Erwin Chemerinsky writes today that "the testimony given by John Roberts and Samuel Alito at their confirmation hearings just months earlier was a lot of baloney." Alito and Roberts have shown little independence, siding with one another approximately 90 percent of the time. They have voted together in 21 of the 23 cases that have divided the Court 5-4 this year. "Prior to this year, the Court was split right down the middle in the close ideological cases -- each side won about half. But this year, the hard-core conservatives won more than twice as many of the close cases, including virtually all of the most important decisions."

    THE ALITO FACTOR: The most devastating change on the Court has been the ideological shift that came with Alito's replacement of O'Connor. "That switch almost certainly changed the outcome of many of this year's most important decisions," with the following results: eliminating the nearly half-century old guarantee of equal pay opportunity for all Americans, regardless of race, gender, age, ethnicity, or disability (Ledbetter); limiting Congress's power to keep corporate money out of federal campaigns (Wisconsin Right to Life); cutting back on protections for reproductive freedom (Carhart); slamming the courthouse door on people who make technical mistakes (Bowles); cutting back on protections for people facing capital punishment by, among other things, allowing imposition of the death penalty on defendants deprived of even minimally adequate representation (Landrigan, Ayers, Uttecht); and making it impossible to challenge the Bush administration when it uses public funds to promote favored religions (Hein). While the media has focused on the fact that Alito the was the number one ally for corporate interests in a Supreme Court term that may have been the most pro-business in decades, what is most notable is Justice Alito's hostility to the rights of workers, shareholders, and consumers.

    IT COULD GET WORSE: As much as the Court has lurched to the right in the past two terms, the results could get worse if another Court opening were to occur during Bush's remaining days in office. The oldest justices are John Paul Stevens and Ginsburg, members of the more progressive bloc. Justice Kennedy has generally been a conservative vote, "but unlike Roberts and Alito, he has maintained some degree of independence." In yesterday's racial desegregation decision for example, Kennedy affirmed that school districts can still take race-conscious measures to achieve diversity, though he felt the Louisville and Seattle programs focused much too exclusively on race. In an earlier decision, Kennedy sided with the majority to tell the Environmental Protection Agency to reconsider its refusal to regulate greenhouse-gas emissions from new cars and trucks. Last term, he voted with the majority in Hamdan to limit the Bush administration's extravagant claims of executive power in denying due process to detainees. Among the issues at stake in the future are: a woman's right to choose, the environment, voting rights, congressional power, free speech and the First Amendment, and the protection of fundamental rights and liberties. O'Connor was a key vote on many of these issues, and the new Court could soon have these protections in its crosshairs. Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne writes, "If another conservative replaces a member of the court's moderate-to-liberal bloc, the country will be set on a conservative course for the next decade or more, locking in today's politics at the very moment when the electorate is running out of patience with the right."

    http://www.americanprogressaction.org/progressreport
     
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    No kidding.

    Isn't this what the minority community has been complaining about for decades? Treat us equal?

    I am to understand this is the way it was:

    So, I work hard, make more money, and move into a nicer neighborhood; which will allow my kids to go to a nicer school. Then your kids get penalized by having bus loads of punks fill the seats to satisfy a quota because some jackass parent(s) is lazy, or couldn't keep their legs together when they were 14 years old?

    If you don’t want your kids to go to a bad school, then move. If you can’t afford to move, then get a better job. If you can’t get a better job, then go back to school so that you can. If your 15 and a single parent.......you shouldn’t have gotten knocked up so young and now have to live with your decision. How hard is that?

    The mentality of sitting around waiting for government help is ridiculous. Why do people expect to have everything done for them? Hard work is a scary word for those that have NEVER tried it.

    I think the ruling is great.
     

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