out of the 30 head coaches and their staffs, where does everyone rank coach a and his staff of assistants?
12? I don't really know how to rank most of his staff, and it's kinda unfair to do so, i mean your head coach kinda makes or breaks you. i think the staff is more there for the finer things, the details so to speak. plus, the season hasn't really started yet and we don't even know who will be playing with us next year. too close to call right now, hell even seatle could have a good year at this point in time.
top of my head (without extensive research), i'd put adelman as a midlevel coach. let's see, in no particular order... sloan popovich johnson jackson riley are my top 5 coaches. these guys understand the balance between offense and defense. adelman's in the next group of guys. guys that are particulary good at one half of the court but have not demonstrated an ability to balance out the other half... in no particular order... adelman d'antoni karl nelson mcmillan saunders (very bottom of this group) carlisle (just above flip) stan van gundy the next group are entirely "average". nice "stopgap" coaches that don't have either the knowledge of the game or the respect of their players to become coaching "fixtures" scott bickerstaff rivers mike brown the rest, i believe, are journeymen. if i'm forgetting someone it's because i'm at work and this is off the top of my head...
I'd put Adelman in the top 6 1- Jackson 2- Pop 3- Sloan (though he's never won the ship, he's won a lot while the Jazz organization has repeatedly acquired white players instead of the best out there, in my opinion.) 4- Riley 5- Nelson 6- Adelman
What do you think of Adelman? I agree JVG is a very good coach, but wouldn't you agree that Adelman is also an upper class coach? He's certainly not a newbie with no basketball experience
And then, as a second exercise, if denniscd was ADDED to that staff, how much higher would you then rank them. discuss.
You guys maybe cheating rick a little bit. Don nelson has never coached a team to the NBA finals and adelman and sloan have basically done the same things when you compare their careers against one another. They both have a few conference finals as coaches and they both have 2 finals appearances . But the last 7 years adleman has dominated sloans teams with ease,even with stockton and malone. You can put adelman,sloan and nelson all in the 6 slot depending on what you want to evaluate.
clutch i think adelman is top shelf...easy top 8. i dont think its as much a style thing as a results thing...his teams play good basketball
I hope you're right. I agree about him being a good coach, but as far as the style change ... I'm a little concerned about the "up-tempo" thing given that I think the roster is not really close to ready for that. We'll see. I'm also still a little upset that it didn't work out with JVG, but I recognize some of the problems. I think the defensive mindset was the right one, but they needed more "scoring punch" (Daryl Morey's favorite phrase). The James addition would have gone a long way to boosting that JVG squad ... such a shame that didn't work out sooner. Don't know ... I was searching for this video to post in the <a href="showthread.php?t=131216">Juwan leadership</a> thread and it really made me miss some of the elements that a JVG-led team brings. <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/JPEblUMqhIA"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/JPEblUMqhIA" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object> I think they were on the right track, but were missing a few pieces (and JVG has to share in some of that blame). T-Mac is going to have to increase his shooting efficiency if our defense slips considerably under Adelman. What are the odds that you still have access to the Rockets forum by draft day, and can I put a fifty against?
I could've sworn you posted a statement weeks ago saying that you weren't going to talk about JVG anymore. Something about you or the Rockets team as a whole moving on? Guess not.
I don't necessariliy believe in good coaches as much as I do good organizations - front office, coaching staff, and players all focused on winning. Winning makes good coaches more than vice versa. That being said, I like our chances with Adelman and the staff he's assembling. But then there's always hope in the Rocketland and I'll always be a citizen...
RA can be in the top 10 starting off the season. I will start him off at 10 by the end of the season he will be top 4. I don't see the D taking a nose dive in the coming season. I hope that the chemistry can gell quickly and the Rockets can get off to a great start. I can't wait to see how the roster shapes up by end of July.
clutch...adelman is very smart...they wont be that much more uptempo...they averaged 97 last year...they will raise that by about 3 points to a 100 and give up 3 more points agame as well....dont be disappointed...we were in the lottery 4 straight years just 4 years ago and going nowhere with francis mobley taylor cato norris with all huge contracts. adelman will make the right moves with the team...we just have to stay healthy. we should win 55 to 58 if we stay relatively healthy with mike james healthy and bonzi playing for a contract.
Verse, I really don't see any evidence that Sloan or Avery are any better than Adelman. Adelman has been just as good as Sloan and is quite a bit more accomplished than Avery. No knock against Avery because I think he has done an excellent job in Dallas but he lost last season's final to a seriously inferior team and then did it again this year in the 1st round of the play offs. I would rank Pop, Jackson and Riley as the top teir coaches with an asterisk by Riley because he just has not done as consistently as Pop or Jackson during the last decade. 2nd tier I would put Adelman, Sloan and Avery with an asterisk by Avery just because we don't know how much of his WC championship year was just a carry over from the Nelson years. But I like Avery a lot. 3rd tier would be D'antoni, Nelson, Karl, Carlisle and Saunders. Guys that always seem to have great seasons and usually some form of play off success but you know for one reason or another that their teams will always fall short of an NBA championship appearance. All the rest really are not worth talking about IMO and that includes both Van Gundy's. Stan has really only had one year of success with Miami so I think I need to see more before I rate him. He could be very good but at this point I just don't know. As far as JVG goes I just think the guy is all about the system regardless of the players he coaches and IMO that is garunteed downfall at some point. The really good coaches know how to adapt their syestem to the talent they have and JVG is just too damn hard headed to do that in my book.
same old myths being repeated...doesnt fit the system to the players...like give examples instead of regurgitating the same old myths and stating them as facts...and dadumb before you talk about v mac, please lets just wait to see how he does. as far as svg...42-40 in first year with wade as a rookie and got into the 2nd round...next year 59 wins and lost in conference finals because wade was hurt...definitely should be in the top 10
