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Bush Plans to Veto Stem Cell Bill

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by insane man, Jun 19, 2007.

  1. DonkeyMagic

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    NY was talking about other problems, not stem cells. That what i was referring to there.




    yes adult do have shortfalls.

    And like you mentioned, its a new area of study and there are promising signs but i feel like there is a little over-optimism and for such an issue i think a little prudents is needed before you go all in. there is a slippery slope there so i dont think caution is a particularly bad thing.

    if there was a way to get the same benefit of embryonic stems cells but not use embryonic stem cells would you still want to use embryos?
     
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    Other administrations took steps to secure our future. Clinton had an education plan. He tried to overall Healthcare (but was blocked by the right). The man was a moderate with a pragmatic vision. Even Bush's father saw the debt as a problem and had the sense to raise taxes when it was necessary.

    This bush doesn't care about the country. The Stems cell issue shows that. This tread isn't just about stem cells, it's about Bush's veto on it.

    His veto is endemic upon his way of ruling. Which is based on a rigid approach that fails to admit when it's in the wrong. People may appreciate it his conviction - great. But why do the rest of us have to be on his sinking ship?

    And I'm actually more on the right then the left. At first I thought it was great that we got Bush instead of Gore. Now I see what a horror he has turned into.

    And Bush isn't evil. I don't think that at all. He's just very arrogant, and grossly incompetent. Actually - that's worse then evil to be honest.
     
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    I think if you really look at the situation, neither side cares about stem cell research. You hit the nail on the head when you said the point of the bill was about Bush's veto.

    The stem cell issue has been politicized to a quagmire. Bush was very clear that he would veto any bill that involves the destruction of embryos. If those that were amending the bill cared about stem cell research, why didn't they take out the IVF/embryo issue? We defitely need federal funding for adult pluripotent stem cells, which was in the second part of the amendment.

    One would think that if either side truly cared about stem cell research, common ground (i.e. adult pluripotent stem cell research) could be researched to allow federal funding. I think the embryo issue was kept in the bill because it was known that Bush would veto it, and it would make a great headline which would further campaigns.


    In my ideal world, the amendment would have only included federal funding for adult pluripotent stem cells, which would not have been vetoed (according the white house press). Then after a democratic president is elected, federal funded IVF/embryo stem cell research could be added.
     
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    its hard to take a statement like that serious. Has he made good decisions, not particularly, but to say he doesnt care...i seriously doubt he wants the US to fail or is impartial about the country and its success

    and stem cells alone doesnt secure any future. A If/when govt funding goes into embryonic stem cells and a cure for many diseases is immediately found then we could say it was wrong. But to think research goes into treatment in a few short years is just wrong.

    that being said, lets not pretend that research isnt and hasnt been done on embryonic stem cells, its just not funded by the govt. If you are so interested, im sure a researcher would be happy to take a check from you or I.
     
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    good points. politicians playing politics not seriously addressing important issues. Im not a Glen beck fan (if thats his name) but he had a great little piece yesterday about the lack of common sense in politics.
     
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    two years ago cbs

    fox


    by the way i got bought of those polls from the first google search. on the first page.
     
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    good get.

    a little wider margin than i would think but not by much, i.e. prolife v EST.
     

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