[Oregonian] Battier for Jarrett Jack & Travis Outlaw-or-Martell Webster was discussed

LOL then everyone is an All-Star or former All-Star. Battier being the Team USA glue guy and defensive stopper.

 

hell no....battier is expendable but not for those guys...

 

Zach Randolph has talent, but he isn't very atheletic and rather sucks at defense. I wouldn't want to put him next to the current center.

 

Lack of athleticism isn't a problem with him. You may be thinking of his overall body shape and gettign a non-athletic picture in your mind, but he is mroe than athletic enough.

Lack of defense, and poor shooting percentage (for a PF) / tendency to shoot too much would be your major concerns with him.

To the extent that the Rockets already tried the best defense possible approach, even at expense of good offense, I'd flip-flop Shane/Randolph to see if that provides any better results. Zach's put up 18+ ppg for the last 4 years, and nearly 24 a game last year.

 

I don;t want him too. He's not the guy we need. He is just leader of his team but he isn't an All Star for me. I just hate him. He sucks on defense - that's right but one good thing for him is that he rebounds well...

I think Chris Wilcox would be the best opstion for us. I won't make even trades like Shane for Webster(Outlaw) and Jack

 

That is the way I would go too. Rodriguez looks like a young Steve Nash.

 

There's so many people on this baord fascinated with rookie-types who they think will be the next [fill in the blank].

Even if Rodriguez is the next Steve Nash, does that mean it'll be 5 years until he becomes anything more than a below average point guard, like Nash?

Rodriguez, Amir Johnson, Ersan Ilyasova....some of these guys will probably blow up, but as to whom, it's pretty much a toss-up.

If you're going to trade a fairly integral part of your team like Battier, your only true bargaining chip to speak of, wouldn't you want something back that includes more than 15 career starts combined and a draft pick that won't turn out to be anything?

 

I see your point and it's certainly a valid one, but that is just a risk I would like to see this team make. This team lacks athleticism and this move would instantly upgrade that area.

And while, yes currently, they get the better player, we are able to get a pair of young players with good size and athleticism who also appear to have a solid work ethic. It is a risk, and i'm not going to deny that. But again, it's a risk that I would be willing to take.

 

The question ...does Outlaw look to be much better than Stromile...and does Jack have more potential than Gay? If not...we shouldn't do this trade....pg problem can be solved without giving up Battier...Francis and James are realistic options and help our win now mind set...
-V

 

Just curious: if Rox do a deal with Blazers: Battier for any two of the young guys discussed + a 2nd (to be used as a 'future' pick, ala Iyor) THEN swap Jack to Atlanta for the #11, is it more or less 'doable'?

 

Xiki, you would probably have to throw in Luther Head, Jack and maybe future considerations to have any chance at trying to snag the #11 pick in this draft. What happens if Noah is there at #11.

 

You could be correct, but I don't think so. BTW - if Noah is there then it proves my belief that he's a fine college player with a game that translates poorly to the Association.

 

I'm late to the game but I still don't think we should trade Battier...Yes, he has a lot of value, but that's because he's a quality team player...This is the type of player you keep, IMHO...

end of rant as I know he'll be gone as its the wrong thing to do ...

 

I think we pretty much think the same thing. The Rocks desperately need to add talent, athleticism, and youth to the team. I would love to put all 3 guys on the Rockets, were that possible, because they would be a hell of a nice jump in all three of those areas. The problem remains the 1 and the 4. Is Jack a real answer to the point guard hole on the Rocks? That pit that is the lair of Alston and some chump change? If we could really get James for Howard, if James were willing to waive his trade kicker (and I'm not for the deal, otherwise... he can waive it, and the kicker pisses me off... yes, that could be short-sighted on my part, but I don't think so), then Jack wouldn't be nearly as "put on the spot" to cover the position, right off the bat. You would have James and Rafer, and could bring along Jack. If Jack boots those two out of the starting spot, or pushes them hard, it is simply fantastic. That means we suddenly go having NO depth at the one to being loaded.

Which leaves the 4 spot. If Howard is moved, Battier is moved (not a 4, anyway, but an option there depending on matchups), and Hayes is resigned, then we have Hayes and Outlaw (???) at the 4. No a good situation. Outlaw is more of a 3/4, and desperately needs to put on pounds and gain experience to be a serious future option as a PF. What would be nice is having some young guys being brought along for the future. And I'd still like to get Barnes. If we need to pick up a 4 with the MLE, that puts a damper on that idea.

I kinda like this time of year, pondering what we need to do to improve the club, having a new coach, knowing some player moves are going to be made, and wondering what we do with the draft.

 

Jeez guys, haven't any of you played with the ESPN trade machine on this one? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but from what I see, there is only one remotely plausible trade between these teams with Battier involved.

Forget about talent assessments and consider the salary of the talent that's involved. Let's establish a given or two or six:

Portland simply will not trade: Aldridge, Roy, or their first pick. If Portland trades any of these players to the Rockets, I will donate all of my worldly possessions to the Ugly Children's Solidarity Society.

Sparing bad values like Fred Jones for a second, Houston will absolutely not take on the awful contracts of: LaFrentz, Miles, or Pryaslkdaldknbia.

Houston will not take on the overpriced: Fred Jones or Dan Dick Ow! Can they? Do the salaries match? Yes, but the Rockets don't take that talent for Battier. They're more likely to trade Yao for Randolph.

According to the ESPN Trade Machine, due to CBA nonsense, the following Portland players can not be traded at all at this time: Magloire, Outlaw, Schenscher (is he their equipment manager or something?) or Udoka.

The TM says that Houston can not trade: Hayes, Deke, Jake T, and Wells

Therefore the glorious tradeable talent on Portland's roster includes only: Jack, Rodriguez, and Webster.

Conveniently, those three salaries together (not two of them) can be traded for Battier's. I, for one, don't see it happening. However much we think of Battier (I think he's terrific) I don't see them trading two lottery-level talents aged 21 and 20 for a 30 year-old who unless it makes them a serious, immediate championship contender. They're at least two years away from contention, provided their young talent comes through.

Battier will not play for Portland next year.

 

Sorry if that post seems a bit snarky. I feel snarky.

 

I guess you've never heard of something called a sign & trade...

 

The Blazers are not trading Rodriguez, so you can factor him out of the equation. They are definitely looking for a sf, but I think they would prefer one who's a better scorer and creator. They already have Battier lite in Udoka, at a much lower price. I think for the money, they would rather keep Udoka and Outlaw and pass on Battier.

 

Rodriguez is another potential guy. Dickau was being preferred over him by the end of their season. He's not going to help the Rockets in the meantime.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/johncanzano/2007/06/rain_in_texas_and_the_bride_fr.html

 

S&T who?