I merged the other Bibby thread with this thread since the new potential Rocket profile for Bibby just came out.
So I read the first half of the profile and thought, "Wow, Clutch, you're really stretching it here. Bibby as a potential Rocket?"
Maybe I'm being naive with all this talk that I thought was pretty much speculation but the source that Clutch referenced is new to me. That gives this more credibility than before but who knows how serious the interest is.
There's not a whole lot of options in trying to trade for Bibby. I doubt they want Rafer's contract. Since Battier's contract runs for 4 more years, they'd probably want to take back some expiring money Battier, Sura, Snyder and #26 for Bibby. Heck, I might still do the Howard for James trade and see you can play Mike at the two, kind of how like Utah uses Willams and Fisher. You would still have your MLE to get a big man to pair with Yao. C Yao PF MLE/Hayes SF McGrady SG James/Head PG Bibby/Alston
I love Bibby, but I feel that attaining him is going to be too costly for us, and would likely erase any possibility of doing other significant moves this summer. Of the two Kings, I'd prefer Artest.
Come on Bibby! We need you. I think Rockets are good target for Bibby cause Rockets really have big chances to win the cjampionship (you can say what you want but that's true) The only problem can be salary, but I still belive
i've always hated him cause he's so cocky... BUT there's our third guy. he can do it all. problem is defense... but he can't be worse than rafer. SO... let's do it!
Bibby flourished with great passing bigs like Vlade and CWebb. At the cost to acquire I'd prefer not.
Trading for Bibby would give us 3 players that are making max or near max money and it would hurt the depth that we are already lacking in. By making this trade we would only be moving our weakness from PG to SG/SF. I see a deal as being very unlikely because I'm not sure it is in the best interest for either team. If we make a trade for Bibby, then one team is gonna come out like the Pacers did last year when they traded Jackson and Harrington. I can't see a deal that really helps both teams.
Question is, would you rather have potentially Artest, Francis, Battier or Bibby. If the trade for Artest has credibility, we would be getting our 4/3 combo we need that will be our starting 4. Francis won't come if Bibby and potentially Mike James will be here, not to mention Alston. Battier would obviously not be here because he is traded. If the Kings wanted to take on Alston as a back pg while they groom an Acie Law perhaps, then this becomes interesting. If not, maybe... Sura, Head,Vspan, Snyder, Battier, 26th pick for Artest, Bibby 41225 which after you consider the 125% trade rule, saves the Kings over 8 million dollars (about 4 from the trade and 4 from Sura's contract), gives them two solid players, a lot of unproven young talent (Snyder, Vspan, Head,26 pick). This basically jumpstarts their rebuilding process. Both Bibby and Artest want to play with their former coach. We trade our starting forward and pg for our new starting pg and forward. Add James for Howard and Francis for vet min... Yao Deke Artest Hayes Tmac Novak Wells James Bibby Francis??? Also a consideration, Atlanta needs pg and pf much like we do. If we make the Artest/Bibby trade (Artest and Hayes man the 4) we seem ok at the 4. If Francis signs than we are more than set at the point. Maybe we trade Alston/ Howard/ and fut 2nd for Speedy's contract, Wright, and the 11th pick. What's crazy about this trade is - "You have found a trade scenario that we have somehow skipped over (hey, it happens!). Could you please email us at problems@realgm.com and tell us all the particulars about this trade (teams involved, players involved, which players go to which teams). It is very important that you let us know which order the teams were selected in so we can duplicate the trade (Team 1 = Chicago, Team 2 = New Orleans, etc). Thank you very much, your support is much appreciated." It's a trade scenerio that has never been tried before...ever in the history of tradekind. Anyways Wright is older but is a solid backup for Yao. We could go for Young, Wright, or Byars with that pick. Young and Wright need to develope but Byars would be like getting a second chance at Roy. He is a solid defender like Battier and has more offensive skills like Roy. Claxton is basically done, he is only speedy by name. But Bibby and Francis can more than man the 1, Francis giving us Bdiddy lite and Bibby giving us Nash lite. Fracis is (by statistics) a good defender so it is concievable he would get the starting nod against guys like Deron and Parker, games were defense is emphasized over offense. Bibby will lead us agaist Nash and Kidd and the like. New line up... Yao Wright Deke Artest Hayes Tmac Novak Wells Byars Bibby Francis JL3 Minutes break down Yao 34 Wright 10 Deke 4 Artest 30 Hayes 18 Tmac 28 Byars 18 Artest 2 Novak Wells 28 Francis 12 Tmac 5 Byars 3 Bibby 30 Francis 18 JL3 We would still have the MLE to work with.
I don't think there is any way you would get both Artest and Bibby. The Kings look at both players as trade assets, as they should... Furthermore, I don't think Bibby and Artest will want to be on the same team next season ... atleast not according to Martin McNeal of the Sacramento Bee: http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/205977.html
i think only way we can get him is if heopts out, and if he really does want to win and play for coach adelman again i think he will sacrifice the money for a chance at a ring again
If it coms down to 1) Battier + filler for Bibby or 2) scrubs + filler for Artest, I would prefer option 2. Trading Battier for Bibby will feel our need at PG, but leave a void at SF position.
Battier+ fillers will improve the PG spot. T-Mac can go back to the SF spot. The MLE can be used for a SG or a PF. This is highly unlikely to happen. The other option is not realistic either scrubs + fillers won't get Artest. Battier would probably have to be included in a trade for him.The Kings will probably go with the best possible offer for him from any team even with his dwindling value.
The Rockets have to gaping holes at PG and PF and we really need to fill both this summer. I feel we need a PG slightly more than a PF just because this would give T-mac a break from having to set the entire team up on offense. Only Yao can get his own shot on our current team. Bibby would be a great addition to the Rockets but his price is too high. I think getting an Artest who can guard 4's and going for a cheaper upgrade at the point in a guy like Mike James would give the Rockets enough room to add more pieces. We still have no bench to speak of especially since Head and Howard could be included in any trades to get other players.
If you were Mike Bibby and you are coming off one of your worst seasons ever, and you are coming close to the over the hill years.... Would you take the 20+ mil for ONE season and not be certain of what to expect in the years after OR Would you take the MLE over 5 years which would reduce the amount of money per year, but the guaranteed money is over 10 million larger? One example of this was JD Drew bolting the Dodgers for the Red Sox because of more guaranteed money. Frankly, I don't know what I would do, but would love to hear some opinions.
