[Western Conf Finals] Utah Jazz vs. San Antonio Spurs

Unless Tmac's back blows up and retires, I cant see how TP can surpass Tmac in the next 2 seasons. Your telling me TP can average 24-5-6, facing double teams, scoring, and create for his teammates at the same time.

 

Sweet, you're all still stuck with me.

 

Maybe Chris Webber will be put in a game seven situation where he grabs a rebound with time running out, and doesn't know what to do.

It would be fun to watch at that point.

 

In a couple of years, Tracy won't be averaging 24-5-6 facing double teams. In fact, a lot of times this season he wasn't double teamed because he jacks up so many turnaround jumpers. Meanwhile, TP just keeps getting better and better and, yes, he will surpass Tracy.

If Tracy was courageous enough to play up to his abilities, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But he takes the easy way out much too often because of his softness.

 

Ha, what a preposterous inference on your part and what a weak attempt to try and bait me into proving your 4 year agenda that JVG should easily have been able to advance with Yao+T-Mac!

Just because I refuted your assertion that T-Mac = TP+Ginobili does not mean I should want to make that trade. You still always want to keep the best player out of any group as they ultimately have more impact on a game. While TP+Ginobili's total output may exceed that of McGrady's, that doesn't mean you're better off with them as opposed to simply adding a lesser player than all 3 who can simply do ANYTHING on the court. The only thing that makes that duo superior is that it just gives the Spurs another option to attack the defense. The Rockets have absolutely noone out there who can do anything on his own outside of Yao and Mac.

 

Let's say you are an average NBA team that needed perimeter help and you could take either TP+Manu or Tracy. Which would the vast majority of (if not all) NBA teams take?

 

So Parker + Manu = McGrady makes you LOL, but you still wouldn't trade McGrady for them. Ooookay. Either the two of them are better than McGrady, or they're not. Having more talent concentrated at the top as opposed to having it more spread out is not a bad thing. I wasn't really trying to talk about the Rockets; just pointing out that the Spurs aren't really as great as everyone seems to think outside of their top 3. Oberto, Finley, Jacque Vaughn ... these guys are getting major minutes for the Spurs. And let's not forget Bruce Bowen. That's 4 guys who can't really do anything on offense, certainly not 'on their own'.

 

This Jazz team plays so dirty!! even more dirty than Spurs.

 

Ok Yao, I truely get over your turn over trouble now.

 

did anyone see the clip of boozer during the timeout.

i've come to the conclusion that he sounds like a muppet.

 

did anyone here jvg reply to the statement: i rather have great offense over great defense, look at bowen now. , i forgot who said that, but jvg replied 10-15 seconds later saying, i rather have both offense and defense, thats what wins champiionship.

 

You on crack?

They are stripping Duncan clean.

The Jazz aren't the team with the guy who always undercuts jumpshooters in a deliberate attempt to include injury. No one on their team is remotely that dirty.

I also haven't seen any Jazz players knee anyone in the nuts yet or bodycheck them into the scoreboard once they know they are beat to earn an * series victory.

 

That's easy. If you're picking between the two you take TP and Manu. They as a duo pose way more problems than Tracy alone. That's completely different from TheFreak's query of whether I would trade Tracy for those two.

 

Boozer plants Duncan right on his butt! What a stuff!

 

I'm not sure how exactly this is so hard to understand. Parker+Manu don't equal McGrady. They, being two All-Star players, pose more problems for the defense than the lone McGrady, even though he is better than either player. Why should that make me want to trade him for them? I could just add someone like Mike James for example to add another threat and close the gap in production. You always still want the best player out of the bunch. The point here is that you can't just have two guys. Even if their 3rd best player is monumentally better than our 3rd best player (hypothetically Gino vs. Mike James), it's still another threat on the floor. We have no threats which kills us.

I don't see how you can begin to make the comparison. Let's say Yao is equal to Duncan (Duncan still has quite a bit on him when in the playoffs). McGrady isn't THAT much better than Parker or Ginobili (he's far better but not at a Kobe Bryant level). I don't quite understand how you are trying to rationally argue that having one additional All-Star player isn't a tremendous advantage. Can you imagine this Rockets team with even a guy a rung below Ginobili, say a Cuttino Mobley? They would be tremendous, in my opinion. You're really underestimating how much the defense is able to collapse on everyone else when noone outside of 2 guys does a damn thing.

 

damn i hate the spurs.. anyone catch that ****en flopper ginolbli ... he runs into fisher and flops bakc so fisher gets a Tech.. wtf!!!!
DAMN I HATE THE SPURS CUZ THEY ARE CHEAP AND DIRTY... hope someone pops bowen and ginobli in the mug one of these days

 

That may be true, but how about those classy Utah fans? Throwing **** on the court because flop-artist Fisher isn't getting his calls?

 

The Jazz choked on offense when the going got tough under pressure from the Spurs. They deserved to lose this game.

The flop by Manu after the timeout was pathetic. Flopping is such an instinctive reaction for him.

 

Yeah, the Spurs suck but Fisher deserves every call he gets.

All I can say positive is that at least he doesn't injure guys with his little tricks (like Bowen).