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We Were in a Knife Fight with Knife Fighters

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Texas Stoke, May 19, 2007.

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  1. DaDakota

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    I am saying Yao gets the rebound outlets the ball to the PG or SG on the wings and they try for a transition basket.

    And I don't think they should run an up tempo game, but they should push it for some early offense.....if it is there.

    If it is not there, they pull it out as Yao gets into the set and run through him on the block the majority of the time, with some High post mixed it.

    DD
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Where did I say we needed that?

    Again....leaps of logic....

    You are amazing at making stuff up Sam.

    DD
     
  3. SamFisher

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    That's exactly what they did under JVG.
     
  4. Texas Stoke

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    I feel bad for Yao and YOF's because Les's ignorance is about to expose Yao's biggest weakness, his stamina and endurance issues.

    Actually I don't feel bad for YOF's because they have always been and always will be the most vicious toward Yao when he looks lost and out of breath. They think that makes the whole nation of china look bad or something goofy like that and they attack the poor kid without mercy.

    But for me, Yao was almost there. JVG had Yao so close. And Les is scratching the whole thing for what, for what? Because he listened to Bill Walton on espn ask over and over again "how come the rest of the negative NBA does not run the same style as the Phoenix Suns?"

    This is just so effing phoney.
     
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  5. DaDakota

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    LOL - you are kidding right? They were last in the NBA at fast break points....Last.

    So, if that is what JVG was trying to do, I guess he failed in another area too.

    Now: Cue the Crickets.......

    :D

    DD
     
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  6. Hank McDowell

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    We were in a knife fight with knife fighters and Yao Ming put a Ultra-Hot sticker on the back of his beamer

    Holy Hell that is awesome!
     
  7. Luffy1

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    The quality of threads here has gone down a lot.
     
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    Sometimes the best way to cover with unavoidable defensive defiencies is with better offense. i.e. NOT Chuck Hayes.
     
  9. ghettocheeze

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    We were in a knife fight with knife fighters and Jazz brought a ROCKET LAUNCHER :D
     
  10. Luffy1

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    We were in a knife fight with knife fighters and JVG brought his plastic knife.
     
  11. ghettocheeze

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    We were in a knife fight with knife fighters and Jerry Sloan brought his Swiss Army knife.

    Their weapon was more useful so we ran away in terror!!! :p
     
  12. Andy3000

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    We were in a knife fight with knife fighters and JVG played Jazz 5 against 12
     
  13. Texas Stoke

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    We were in a knife fight with knife fighters and Yao Ming put a No Fear sticker on his locker and thought that'd be enough.

    im still pissed.
     
  14. BEXCELANT

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    Say that Yao was soft all ya want. He's a step slower since the injury you can't argue that. He was on MVP pace before the injury so you gotta give him that much.

    Which reminds me I found these scouting reports


    He is good at dominating the game when there is no competition, but often falls flat if there is a good defender in the lane. At his height, he should go inside, but he is a very passive player and does not like to get knocked around. He has a very nice shooting touch, however. Perhaps he would fit in the NBA as the tall small forward role that New Jersey once had Shawn Bradley in. I think, however, he is going to have to bulk up and be more aggressive so that he fits in at power forward. For all of his shooting touch, I don't think he has what it takes to be and every day NBA power forward. I would not take him with a first round pick, but would defnitely take him with an early to mid second round pick and attempt to develop him.


    Has decent post moves but lacks a hook shot to confuse defenders. He will definately have problems scoring on the low post in the pros. However, he is an excellent outside shooter, passer and can penetrate off the dribble if not defended. The last couple of years he had no backup centers so he had to try and stay in the game without fouling. This limited his ability to defend fiercely. All around he would be a good pickup for a team looking for backups at Center, Power Forward and even some small forward.


    Does this sound familiar? It's not Yao. It's Brad Miller. Now I want you to tell me that Miller is soft and he sucks. That he doesn't deserve to be on team USA.

    When Miller played in college, the guy didn't play the high post. He played grind it out Gene Keady ball on the low post. Ya wanna know what the knock was on Keady? He could bring subtalented players and get the most out of them. His teams always led the Big 10 defensivly. He could not win the big games because his players weren't that gifted or that they were just not offensively geared to put up a lot of points. Doesn't that sound like what we just went through? Now look, you put Brad Miller on the Sacremento Kings with Adelman and Miller's numbers go through the roof. I expect the same turnaround with Yao.



    Dropping The Ball

    Not every great college player can play well in the pros, clearly, but when guys possess both the size and the statistical resume to thrive in the league, I expect them to be at least respectable pro players. With that in mind, it's fun to look back on past NBA drafts and see which players met those criteria but were overlooked and eventually made their mark in the league anyway. One prime example is former Purdue Boilermaker Brad Miller.

    Miller manned the post for Purdue from 1994-95 to 1997-98, and was rather productive for Gene Keady. His four years looked like this -

    Per Game Year Min Pts Reb Ast Blk Stl FG% FT%
    94-95 17.9 6.5 4.8 1.2 1.1 0.6 58.2 66.0
    95-96 21.3 9.6 4.9 1.4 0.8 1.0 51.8 73.8
    96-97 31.0 14.3 8.3 2.9 1.5 1.8 53.6 77.7
    97-98 29.2 17.2 8.9 2.5 1.6 1.2 63.2 78.0

    A senior season of 17 points and 9 rebounds per game might not jump off the page, but that output came in only 29 minutes a game. That means Miller was scoring 23.5 points and grabbing 12.2 rebounds for every 40 minutes of playing time, both of which are very productive. On top of that, he was a career 57% shooter and hit 78% of his free throws for his last two years, both indicators of his outstanding efficiency.

    One illuminating stat I didn't include was how often Miller got to the free throw line.

    FTA / FGA
    Fr - .820
    So - .751
    Jr - .921
    Sr - .844

    A go-to-guy who draws fouls that frequently and hits nearly 80% of his foul shots is certainly valuable. Miller was shooting over seven free throws a game as a junior and senior, despite the low playing time. A guy who can who can do that and shoot 60+% from the field knows how to get his name in the scoring column, and should be an asset to any offense.

    But Miller was more than just an efficient scorer - he managed to get his teammates involved. He has earned a reputation as one of the best passing big men in the NBA, and judging by his college assist totals, it's a skill that he has long possessed. Assists are far from a perfect stat, but it's hard to ignore a center who averages over three assists per 40 minutes over his entire college career.

    So a center who can effectively score, pass, and rebound would be pretty draft-worthy, no? Here's a list of all the centers who were drafted in 1998.

    1. Michael Olowokandi, Pacific
    3. Raef LaFrentz, Kansas
    6. Robert Traylor, Michigan
    12. Michael Doleac, Utah
    13. Keon Clark, UNLV
    17. Radoslav Nesterovic, Italy
    22. Brian Skinner, Baylor
    27. Vladimir Stepania, Slovenia
    29. Nazr Mohammed, Kentucky
    33. Jelani McCoy, UCLA

    ***yawn***

    35. Bruno Sundov, Croatia
    36. Jerome James, Florida A&M
    37. Casey Shaw, Toledo
    43. Jahidi White, Georgetown
    44. Sean Marks, California
    48. Ryan Stack, South Carolina
    50. Andrew Betts, Long Beach State

    Notice a name that was not on this list? Teams thought so lowly of Miller that he couldn't even make the second round. Granted, he was only about 240 pounds at the time, but it's not like Ryan Stack or Andrew Betts ever lit the world on fire.

    Miller wound up starting the 1998-99 season in Italy before Charlotte gave him a chance in January of 1999. He endured a couple rough shooting seasons in Chicago, but even then he was shooting (and making) so many free throws that he was still a good scorer. With the entire package of skills that he brings to the court, Miller has consistently ranked as one of the NBA's top five centers for the last five or six years, according to John Hollinger's Player Efficiency Rating. Not bad for an undrafted player, but not surprising for a guy with his college stat line, either.
     
  15. thedopefiend

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    As Chinese living in Germany, I totally missed the point of the original poster, would you plz kindly give some background infos?
     
  16. wnes

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    Yawn. Another piss poor thread by a VanGOF. When it's all said and done, Gundy and his OFs will be no more than a footnote.
     
  17. waelhakmeh

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    who was going to push the ball, rafer, or turnover-happy vmac?
     
  18. Nelly

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    really? a Van Gundy Only Fan? ur kidding right. i doubt anybody started rooting for the rockets or joined clutchfans b/c we hired van gundy....i mean that is the definition of an "Only Fan".
     
  19. SamFisher

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    LOL, you dumbass. This is exactly what the rockets tried to do this year, this is what they tried every year - unfortuantley they didn't have the horses to do it. In 2005 they did so they got more. That doesn't change their base philosophy. There's actually a series of chronicle articles about it from 04 and 05. Go back and look them up.

    BahBahKota, the point I'm trying to make is a rather simple one: Just because you have a selective memory and decide to see things in your own idiotic way doesn't mean everybody else is too.
     
  20. Texas Stoke

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    its just a meaningless defensive counter from a yof in guilt.

    We were in a knife fight with knife fighters and Yao Ming brought his bamboo stick.
     

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