Virginia County Gun Rights Group Holds 'Bloomberg Gun Giveaway'

hotballa · May 18, 2007

I'll preface this by saying that while I'm a supporter of gun control, I don't have a problem with anyone who wants to own a pistol or rifle as part of their right under the second amendment; it's the people who need assault rifles to go hunting deer that I have issues with.

Anyway, the people at this gathering are being very misguided, Bloomberg's purpose in going after the DEALERS was to stpthem from selling guns that have been involved in many shootings in New York City (including one shop that was linked to 14 shootings I think). He's not trying to take guns away from anyone in Virginia. All the people at this event are doing is making themselves look like gun toting rednecks who are EXTREMELY insensitive of the fact that the worst shooting in American history just occured in their state a few weeks ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273217,00.html

ANNANDALE, Va. . — More than 200 firearms enthusiasts — most of them openly armed — packed a normally sedate government building Thursday night, hoping to win a pistol or rifle and at the same time send a defiant message to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and other gun-control advocates.

The Virginia Citizens Defense League, a gun-rights group, organized the "Bloomberg Gun Giveaway" in large part to thumb its nose at New York's mayor. Bloomberg drew gun owners' ire by launching a series of out-of-state stings against gun shops suspected of allowing illegal straw purchases of firearms.

Two guns were awarded, a Para-Ordnance pistol and a Varmint Stalker rifle, each worth about $900. The winners did not immediately receive the weapons — they will still be required to undergo federal and state background checks.

The first winner, Jay Minsky of Fairfax, responded with an obscene hand gesture when asked what message he hoped to send to Bloomberg.

"If he doesn't like people in New York having guns, he should deal with New York," said Minsky, who grew up in Brooklyn. "Just keep out of Virginia."

The event drew an overflow crowd at a Fairfax County government building, with the fire marshal aggressively enforcing an occupancy limit of 150 for the meeting hall. Others stood outside and peered in through open windows.

The event also drew protests from gun-control advocates and the parents of those killed in last month's shootings at Virginia Tech.

Peter and Cathy Read of Annandale, whose daughter Mary was one of those killed, silently held a photo of their daughter outside the building.

"We're not here to have a debate. We're here to witness for our daughter," Peter Read said. "The victims need to be witnessed to. People of the commonwealth can make intelligent decisions about what's right."

Philip Van Cleave, the league's president, said he is sympathetic to the families, but maintained that some of the deaths might have been prevented if somebody had been armed.

"We don't want another Virginia Tech," Van Cleave said.

Most of those in attendance said they were motivated not by the chance of a free gun, but to make a point to Bloomberg and express support for the Second Amendment.

"It'd be nice if I win, but that's not what this is about. It's about my constitutional right to defend myself," said Ron Stuebing of Sterling, a VCDL member.

The event had been planned for months as a fundraiser for two gun shops being sued by New York City. A raffle ticket was awarded for every $100 in purchases at the two gun shops, Bob Moates Sport Shop in Richmond and Old Dominion Gun and Tackle in Danville.

But officials said that giveaway violated state gambling laws, so the league quickly organized a new giveaway, open to anybody who showed up at its Thursday night meeting.

Most but not all in attendance carried holstered handguns. In Virginia, individuals need a permit only to carry a concealed weapon. Openly visible, holstered guns are permitted without a permit.

Anybody who showed up at Thursday's event was eligible for the drawing — except Bloomberg and his immediate family, who were explicitly excluded from the contest by VCDL organizers.

New York City officials have sued more than two dozen gun dealers from Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia in federal court. The lawsuits were filed after private investigators went into the stores with hidden cameras and simulated an illegal straw purchase — in which one person fills out the paperwork and buys the gun for somebody else.

Justice Department officials have said that the private investigators conducting the stings may have been breaking the law themselves, and that none of the gun dealers caught in the stings would face federal prosecution.

Bloomberg and Virginia Attorney General Robert McDonnell also traded barbs after McDonnell told Bloomberg the stings were unwelcome and illegal under a new Virginia law that takes effect in July.

Asked Thursday about the giveaway, Bloomberg said, "I think it's sick, is the nicest ways to phrase it."

Van Cleave responded that the members of his organization are law-abiding citizens, including many retired military, police officers and firefighters.

"If you're saying these are sick people, then I'm proud to be sick," Van Cleave said.
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Sishir Chang · May 18, 2007

The event also drew protests from gun-control advocates and the parents of those killed in last month's shootings at Virginia Tech.
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This doesn't seem like the right time to have some thing like this in Virginia. Its like when the NRA was having their convention in Denver a month after the Columnbine shooting.

Ottomaton · May 18, 2007

Sishir Chang said:

This doesn't seem like the right time to have some thing like this in Virginia. Its like when the NRA was having their convention in Denver a month after the Columnbine shooting.
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I think it is sort of like a gay pride march, where they need to demonstrate that they feel they have nothing to be ashamed of and believe that their views should be accepted.

We're here.
We're armed.
Get used to it.

...or something like that. If they altered plans because of the V-Tech shooting, it would be like admiting that they had something to be ashamed of.

StupidMoniker · May 18, 2007

Sishir Chang said:

This doesn't seem like the right time to have some thing like this in Virginia. Its like when the NRA was having their convention in Denver a month after the Columnbine shooting.
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The NRA was having their annual meeting in Devner, which was planned well in advance and was required by their charter. They cancelled all of thier activities out of respect to the Columbine families. As usual, you should take everything Michael Moore says with a grain of salt, if not dismiss it out of hand.

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