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(sportime.gr) V-Span to discuss future with Morey today

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by alex_jr, May 9, 2007.

  1. bbjai

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    He also fouled at a ridiculous rate
     
  2. metalshred

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    cuz he was trying to play defense and was desperate to prove himself
     
  3. Caboose

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    not as quick as guys like tony parker. maybe he's a little above average but he isn't quick enough for it to be a huge advantage; especially cause of his awful jumper. and im not a troll.
     
  4. bbjai

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    does that make him a good defender then?

    Im sure your high school coach would put you in too as a stopper if u fouled alot
     
  5. Amel

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    this is so horrible, it's not even funny

    now you have to be fast as tony parker to be considered fast

    :rolleyes:
     
  6. DaDakota

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    How is that Super Quick guy Sam Cassell doing these days?

    Sometimes quickness and misdirection with the ball are better then end to end speed.

    DD
     
  7. Old Man Rock

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    Let's see he made Chris Paul and Hinrich look bad in the WC's and got in front of Dwayne wade for a charge. Oh and did I mention his trainer says he is even faster now! I would say that is plenty fast and you are an idiot troll or no troll!!!
     
  8. Sherlock

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    ... so, does anyone know what happened?
     
  9. ROXTXIA

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    Can't help but think that given the "I know you and JVG didn't get along, but wait until our coaching situation pans out" and a wink; JVG will be out and VSpan will have a coach who'll work with him.

    I, too, wish we knew the answer but this seems the safest bet: don't make a rash decision, Vasilis, we'll make sure you don't want to leave, WE want you to play.
     
  10. Doctor Robert

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    I've seen the international stats, but it is difficult to interpret them when teams shoot such high percentages overall. VSpan's FG percentages were good, and his 3-point percentages don't look that good (trying to account for the international skew). The Rockets shoot a lot of 3's, but not being able to do that well does not eliminate you from being effective with Yao and TMac.

    I wasn't aware that he was considered a bad ball handler and high turnover guy in international play. In fact, I thought that it was the opposite. True, his stats show that he led his Greek team in turnovers, but for the primary ball handler, that might not be a great indicator of his strength in that area. Once again, I have never seen any games with him on his Greek team, so I don't know their pace, style, PG duties, etc.

    Overall, I don't think his outside shooting should have limited him so severly this year (it didn't hurt Alston), and what I really want to know is if the turnovers can be lowered and rendered insignificant by his other contributions. We all know that we need more than an outside shooter based on the playoff performance.
     
  11. alex_jr

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    He has high turnovers because he was the primary ball handler when he was on the court setting up the offense (although it was usually Diamantidis bringing the ball up) , it's mainly his drive and dish that's responsible for his turnovers....

    What people whould have a problem with would be his assist-to-turnover ratio...

    But: a) It's higher than one
    b) Assists are counted differently in Europe...Thats the main thing people ignore...

    The best PG in europe in assists (Papaloukas) averaged 5.4 per game this year...

    The top PGs in the NBA average around 10-11

    With that in mind, Span's assists/TO ration last year in nba terms is around 2.3 which is not that far short of Rafer's 2.6
     
  12. SamFisher

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    I'm talking about his Panthanaikos statistics. He has consistently been a high turnover guy.

    And I thinkt he playoffs showed the opposite - we need more shooting, or at least we need our shooters to not disappear like Head. The rockets were way off from their regular season shooting.
     
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    ALL passing PGs that drive and dish and play the pick'n'roll heavily have high TOs...what's your point?
     
  14. SamFisher

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    That he's a turnover prone player and always has been. Whether it is playing style or not - when he throws the ball into the front row you can't score. ON a team with two superstars that's a huge liability to have in a starting point guard - there's a reason why the Rockets offense was awful when he played.
     
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    Scoonie Penn a stud in Euroleague?? He's lucky to be finishing this year with Olympiakos... I'll rest my case here...
     
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    Steve Nash averages more TOs than Alston...

    Again, what's your point?
     
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    They dont need more shooting. They were the 2nd best 3point shooting team in the league last year, they just didnt show up for the playoffs. They need athletes who can get the the basket and give us a change of pace, something the defense wont expect.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    Yeah, Steve Nash is also a deadeye outside shooter and gets a lot of assists on a high pace team, for A/TO ratio of about 3:1. Spanoulis has aroudn a 1:1 assist ratio. If Nash were as turnover prone as Spanoulis he'd be averaging 12 turnovers per game instead of three.
     
  19. alex_jr

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    Well... I think Span didnt get enough time on the floor this year in general let alone with the starters to show that he DOES have a good assist-to-to ratio...

    Out of his 29 turnovers, 18 were bad passes, 7-8 of which I recall were good passes that werent expected...These would go away with time on the floor...

    He also had a lot of ball-handling turnovers (9) that are a necessary evil of adjusting to the NBA rules...and these had pretty much disappeared very quickly....

    Immediately this turns his assist ratio to a much better looking 28/12 = 2.3 which is not that bad...

    His shooting was bad this year I'll admit and really not his usual percentages but keep in mind he mainly was asked to take shots that aren't part of his normal game.... And he doesnt shoot as much as say rafer...
     
  20. SamFisher

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    You could do the same for every guard in the NBA if you took out TO's you decided were not the players fault. At the end of the day the stat balances out, IMO.
     

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