JVG - Stay or GO? New poll after emotions are quieted

Well considering I work as a network admin with thousands of IP's to choose from that wouldn't be hard It's just not worth my time because I don't believe that any poll here is going to be listened to by any competant GM any more than they are going to listen to 610 sports talk radio for trade ideas.

The fact is that the same dozen people post on the same topics hundreds of times in most of the threads here.

 

So add 50 * 9 - 450 minutes or another 8 hours, heck make it 9.

That's 24 Hours of game-time basketball he missed out on. Ya know what - playing 24 hours of basketball isn't going to make or break you. It may make you more adjusted to that environment - but there's something else here everyone is ignoring.

They all think they know better than JVG. I find that so strange. JVG sees these guys practice for 100's upon 100's of hours each season. His assistant coaches spend even more time working with these guys. JVG knows the limits and what each player is capable of.

And he gave them chances. But VSPAN and Novack failed.

They don't deserve PT yet. You earn it. Playing VSPAN and Novack wouldn't have gotten us anywhere except a lower seed and an earlier exit.

JVG mistake isn't in who he chooses to put on the court - it's his, CD's, and LEs's fault for trying to plug a roster ridden with holes with aging, mediocre talent thinking they can win a title on the backs of T-mac and Yao.

 

Except looking at the season those results might be deceiving. Just looking at Clutchfans recaps The opponents' low scoring seemed mostly in the beginning and middle of the season but by the end of the season in April the points allowed shot up to almost 96 points per game. That looks to me like while the Rox were playing smothering defense early in the season other teams started to figure out how to score more on the Rox. The Utah playoffs also appear to be a microcosm of that with the first game the Jazz only scoring 75 points but in the last game the Jazz scored 103.

While JVG has a reputation as a great defensive coach it doesn't look like that defense can be maintained on a consistent basis.

 

600 people is his ticket base? I imagine lots of these posters don't even attend games. Many are probably out of town or even out of the country. The poll gives a very small sample of what the most hard core fans think, but any frachise that runs their office based on what the fans are saying is never going to win any thing. Based on fan input we would have traded Hakeem prior to winning a title.

The Rockets probably do have some one reading this stuff, but honestly so many of the posts here are so rediculous that it is laughable to think that any competant GM would be coming here for advice. For every good post there are 10+ that are completely unrealistic or unreasonable.

That doesn't mean JVG has no blame or should be getting a 10 year contract extension. It just means that changing coaches alone is not going to change this team from a 1st round flame out to a NBA champion.

 

This is hillarious... you think they actually look at the opinions here as dogma?

I know for a fact (from people that work for Les) that they don't put any stock into what they say here regarding roster moves/coaching decision/etc. They have come here to find out opinions on the toyota center experience, and how they can improve the amenities... but roster decisions?

You better get off your high horse if you actually think you can influence anything. The only thing this BBS has ever been good for is the "insider" info that the occasional poster could find out. Other than that, its a bunch of guys behind a computer screen pretending to be experts at something they're not.

 

i think you're discounting the fact i stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

yes teams have high and low points, but you cannot argue the overall effectiveness over the entire season, as an average. One or 2 seasons you might consider a fluke, but over his 10 year career when his teams have always been a top defensive team, regardless of talent...that says it all

 

Like COMMUNIST RADIO [ one of the things I like on 610]
They *never* really get deep into the home team
Capers got a pass until he was gone. . . same with the totally inept Charlie B*sterdly

they may make a minor quip . . but nothing huge
the Newspapers are nothing more than laptops
[reminds me of President Bush's Press corp]

Rocket River
Real insite is on THIS SITE

 

how was the fan base before JVG got here? crap.

dont you think his idea of the rocket rowdies was great for the fans?

fans are fickle...doesnt mean they are smart. Losing 'pretty' doesnt get you more fans. And winning, either ugly or pretty, is what will get the fans exciting.

plus, majority of fans are stupid. we know this. And fans are usually not honest enough with their team to realize that maybe the players just arent good enough. Rather, they put it all on the coach and then grasp for straws with 2nd round draft picks, rookie euro pgs, or malcontent lazy punks as a valid reason for the coaching failure.

Its just a shame that the rockets fan base cannot appretiate a good coach when its right in front of them.

 

If you are referring to Mr. Van Gundy with "his idea" this is simply not the case.

The organization has said (on more than one occasion now) that the fan section started the previous season (including input from some of the folks on here). It was then *presented* to the erstwhile head coach, and he "liked the idea."

 

the point is. . . people don't feel he gave them a chance
People don't *trust* that JVG looked at them in practice and made an unbiased judgement

With JVG. . . .you are what you are
he does not see potential
he does not see ways one can improve
that is why he comes in with a preconceived notion and doesn't deviate from it

Take Yao
in the JVG world. . . JVG LOGIC
YAO is a center
Centers play in the post
so Yao plays in the post

The CONCEPT of Yao not being in the post [unless he running a screen]
is utterly absurd and unthinkable by JVG logic

It is this rigidness that is killing us . .

Rocket River

 

Fluke: The run to the NBA Finals in a lockout-shortened season.

Consistency: Four first round exits, three of them choked away after his team had a strong, if not insurmountable lead in the series.

 

I wish I could be as inept as Van Gundy and demand his salary...

His brainwashing of TMac was a good trick also...

All the praise he gets from Jon Barry, McGrady, Battier and others just shows you what ineptness does for ignorant players.

I think his offense and defense stinks and his refusal to play VSpan and Novak prove he hates future super stars.

He is never happy and he criticizes everything including wins.

No doubt in my mind that if we can him now we will win it all next season.

Unless Rafer, Chucky, Novak, VSpan, Head, J Howard, Snyder, JL3, and Deke all let us down next year..

NO WAY, get us a good coach and those guys will kick Utah, Dallas, and Phoenix combined off the court.

Van Gundy you are a loser and any player that says otherwise has never heard a word you said.

Gundy read the GARM and get out of town ASAP!

 

why dont you mention his ECF appearance? short season or not you have to beat teams to get to the finals...and he did it without his best player.

you cant pick and choose what you choose to acknowledge.

 

i wish you'd stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel about it!

 

Questions...do you think we could have gotten out of the first round, with the same team, if Gundy wasn't our Coach?

 

I was thinking of starting a new thread about this ^^ but figured 345 threads on Gundy is more than enough.