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JVG - Stay or GO? New poll after emotions are quieted

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, May 10, 2007.

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  1. Nick

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    Van Horn... it definitly screwed things up, but eventually Avery would realize how he could get easy baskets with anybody that Yao is guarding, or getting duped into the pick and roll with.

    Marquis Daniels... their 10th man... was better than nearly every bench player we were playing that year.
     
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    true. that injury was the best thing to happen to the mavs
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    When does it end? WHEN THEY FRICKEN WIN a series after being up 2-0.......

    THAT is when they have done a good job....until then it is an utter collapse and failure by everyone ....ESPECIALLY the coach.

    DD
     
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    Go, but only if we can find someone better
     
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    I voted "No", but that doesn't mean I think he's perfect. I think he's a good coach, and I think we can win in the playoffs with him. But I want him to be a bit more trusting with his younger players -- particularly Snyder.
     
  6. lunaticrocket

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    emotions have not yet calmed but.... uhm, yes he must go.
     
  7. NewYorker

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    There isn't a coach in this league - future, present, or past, that could have taken last year's roster to the finals this year or next.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Which is EXACTLY why you have to develop your bench.

    DD
     
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    Kick JVG out of Texas.
     
  10. Nick

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    (re-posted for effect)

    Ironically, the same thing that we're blaming JVG for (overplaying his starters, refusing to develop players who need developing, mortgaging everything to win now).... are the same things that kept this team in the hunt when Yao went out for 30+ games.

    He does get more out of less... that never gets refuted... but its his inability to get more out of more that may cost him his job. Other coaches are better at getting more out of more... namely Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, and possibly even Rick Adelman.

    However, I question whether any of those elite coaches would have gotten the band of misfits to play as hard over the 32 game stretch when the season was declared "over" by even the most die-hards here. In fact, I've seen how Riley's attitude changes when his team doesn't have has much talent... I've seen Phil basically phone it in the last two years when he knew his team wasn't good enough... and Adelman has lost his job twice when his talented teams started getting old/injured.

    So, I guess my position is... if Yao and T-mac stay healthy, and they improve this roster, perhaps it is better to see what a new coach can do. But, if things stay status quo... and the stars continue to be oft-injured... and the overall roster doesn't get upgraded... things will be tougher for a new coach (no matter how good he is) to succeed here.

    That is all.
     
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    The more I look at JVG, the more he reminds me of that penguin guy - forgot the name - in Batman, just smaller and thinner. Anyone got a picture? It's depressing to look at that miserable expression all the time.
     
  12. MR. MEOWGI

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    Hmmm. You mean THE PENGUIN?
     
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    Yes - The Rockets need a new direction :(
    Maybe Jeff is good coach,but at least he don't adjust Rockets IMO.
    He is a diligence man .
     
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    It takes more then playing time for these guys to develop. It's the work ethic they put in. It's working out hard - it's doing the drills and working with the assistent coaches. It's getting up at 5am and running 5 miles. It's working on your game to improve it year round.

    You don't get better during the games....that hardens your nerves, but it doesn't make you able to defend or not turn the ball over.

    You guys act like the games are the only place guys have to "develop".
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Absolutly not, you are 100% correct, they can improve miles in other areas, but they still need ON COURT time with the better players to truly develop, or become a contributor, it is only then that you find out whether or not they are players, or not.

    DD
     
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    Like Bonzi.

    oh wait...
     
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    I've been going back and forth on this issue. At first, I was stunned that he was going to step down and was really bummed. However, the more I thought about it and thought about what a new coach (Rick Addleman) might bring to the team, the more I got used to it. Now the thought that he might decide to stay has me kind of alarmed.

    I still like JVG and think he's done a lot for this team, but I think some new blood at the top might be required to get us to the next level (as long as the next coach didn't completely abandon the defense that JVG instilled in our team).

    -Humer
     
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    So you're saying if VSPAN got 20 minutes a game similar to what Hayes got - he would be a different player? Ok - that's 11 minutes more per game.

    11 * 80 = 880 minutes, or about 15 hours.

    So you're saying 15 hours will make that big of a difference? I just don't see it. Sorry, I can't agree. It's on VSPAN to get better.

    Gilbert Arenas didn't get better by playing in the games, there's a whole commercial about that. Neither did Manu Genobli.

    Maybe it' time we start wondering if VSPAN has the dedication to make it instead of JVG for caving into a whiny little guy who thinks he's the T-mac of Europe.
     
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    I'm split. I'm not sure.

    Van Gundy is a great coach, but a very stubborn one. I think that is why I give the edge to yes.
     
  20. Nick

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    I'm still more concerned about the ability of Yao and T-mac to stay healthy for a full season (and even if they are healthy, their max potential together), as well as finding a 3rd best player better than Shane Battier.
     

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