(sportime.gr) V-Span to discuss future with Morey today

I honestly dont see how it is worse. Rafer often times shoots like 5-15 and many of those shot are ill-advised, which are just as bad as turnovers. It's not like spanoullis would have 10 tos a game. And he would not be shooitng as much as rafer. Most of his shot would be high % shots inside the paint.

 

Travel 'half of the time'? Do you think they go by horse buggy or carriage? And once they're off an a road trip, how long do you think it takes for them to get escorted to the next location? And when they'r home, they have PLENTY of time to practice.

It is clear to anyone with deducictive abilities that they clearly expect to practice A LOT, not RARELY like you claim. It is abosultely NOT 'common knowldge' that practices are rare. You made an assumptiuon which is wrong.

 

which would be a huge lie because there's no way in the world a coach takes this job on the condition he play V-Span! i doubt very seriously morey would tell any serious candidate..."listen...you gotta play this V-Span guy."

 

Sorry Cohen, he is right, your assumption is wrong. Teams do not practice that much during the season.

They may have an occasional hard practice, but for the most part, it is all shoot arounds and light walkthroughs getting ready for the next opponent.

But, for giggles let's assume you are correct and that the team practices a LOT between games.....

If that were the case the team would be physically exhausted, especially playing a short rotation, and in that case JVG would still deserved to be fired.

DD

 

Collangelo told Sam Mitchell that in Tornoto.....

A good GM should take the longer view.......and if you are an incomming coach and you already like V-Span it would not be an issue would it?

DD

 

No, you said that practices in the NBA are rare, and they are clearly not. You also said 'Most practices are at a walking pace, , which was also wrong.

 

100% agree, If Morey want's Span to play pg he would ask potential coaches if they see Spanoulis as a rotation player at point.

 

Ok, we are picking nits....

Practices to me are when the team scrimmages and goes HARD.....those are rare, but if you are including walk throughs and shoot arounds (which can technically be called practices) then they happen all the time.

But GOOD HARD practices happen infrequently during the season......

DD

 

Yeah, I know, they just make up stories about practice for newspapers.

If your ridiculous assumptions were correct players would never exercise between games, would never lift weights during the season... no work outs other than gametime. As if they were delicate, frail little tots who are totally drained by running around for 30 or 40 minutes every 2 or 3 days.

 

I actually think we are saying the same thing but looking at it from a different perspective.

It is all in how you define practice......

Read my post above.

DD

 

Man just let it go, you're dead wrong...

This article doesn't mention how OFTEN they practice, the teams play three times a week, on the gamedays they have no practice just some shootarounds, then travelling takes a lot of time and energy, the guys basically live in the hotels and anticipate summer time to start working on their games. Again if you include the days off you can see the whole picture. Players often talk how they worked hard during summerbreak on their conditioning, shooting and other weaknesses, haven't you noticed that?

Shoot-arounds are no practices, nor weight lifting. If you define shootarounds as practices then they practice everyday, but that's not the type of practice that will show how good you are or make your game better...

 

That's a great post, coach Giannakis usually gets two guys with pg abilities on the floor and share the task of setting the plays in the offense. So VSpan usually played side-by-side with another pg, and those two would run the plays evenly.

 

Collangelo did not ask Sam Mitchell to play that rookie Italy guy straightforward. Collangelo told Sam Mitchell that either he starts to win or he plays that new Italy guy. Because if you do not win, you should develope your first-pick rookie. And Mitchell did both.

 

Wow, JVG must be totally blind to all of the young talent he has gotten. Let's take a look:
with the Knicks
John Wallace - 7 and 3 player for 7 seasons, only got significant PT on the 16-66 '98 Raptors
Dontae Jones - played only one season (for Boston) 44 career points
Walter McCarty - Matt Bullard with worse shooting, best known for being loved by Heinsohn
John Thomas - career 3 and 2 player, never played a single game for JVG or the Knicks, 6 teams in 5 year career
DeMarco Johnson - played only one season, 6 career points
Sean Marks - career 3 and 2 player, never played 1 game for Van Gundy or the Knicks, 4 teams in 7 years
Frederick Weiss - never played an NBA game, best known for taking half-man's nuts to his face in the Olympics
JR Koch - never played an NBA game
with the Rockets
Malick Badiane - never played an NBA game
Luis Flores - 2 pts and 1 ast per game over his 16 game career, spanning two teams, neither coached by JVG
Head, Novac, and Spanoulis all still with the team.

So, I guess it is true that JVG doesn't really develop his draft picks unless required to do so, but who would develop any of those players? There was a reason that the crowd was always chanting fire Layden on draft day in NY, and we haven't had a lot of picks to work with in his tenure here.

 

To be fair, I thought Boki should be on that list, and he would look good in Rocket's uni right now.

 

Did the article referenced just mention how they go full-tilt for 90 minutes at a short JVG practice? Haven't you ever heard about players who get injured in collisions during practice... think they get that through walk-throughs? Or where some players, such as Battier, get respect for no slowing down in practices?

Teams work on new plays, defenses, and adjustments for other teams all year. Think they walk through those and then just expect them to just 'work' the first time they're attempted at game speed?

Ridiculous.

 

You know what? That is exactly what they do, they usually work on them at about half or 3/4 speed.

At least that is what the Spurs did when I was at their practices, and I assume it is the same all over the league, but I could be wrong.

DD

 

Sorry but this is nonsense the teams work on plays, and defenses during pre-season, I have first hand experience on that. You don't learn systems during the season--adjustments yes you can do.

When you've worked on some systems for several months then of course you can do adjustments relatively easily at a more relaxed pace... If you need to learn brand new systems it usually means that you have a new coach...

 

I find it fascinating the amount of time we pour into the discussion of second round draft picks and marginal players around here. Badianne, Langhi, VSpan...hell, I remember the same thing with Eric Riley, Venson Hamilton, Terrell Bell, Serge Zwicker...

I hope VSpan develops into a rotation player, but you'd think that half of the all star team every year is filled with second round players. Just in case you forgot, this is a list of last year's all star rosters. Only 6 picked outside of the top 15 in a given draft. Only three second rounders. Fourteen picked in the top five including SIX taken #1 overall.

Chauncey Billups (1997, round 1, #3)
Chris Bosh (2003, round 1, #4)
Caron Butler (2002, round 1, #10)
Vince Carter (1998, round 1, #5)
Richard Hamilton (1999, round 1, #7)
Dwight Howard (2004, round 1, #1)
Lebron James (2003, round 1, #1)
Joe Johnson (2001, round 1, #10)
Jason Kidd (1994, round 1, #4)
Jermaine O'Neal (1996, round 1, #17)
Shaquille O'Neal (1992, round 1, #1)
Dwayne Wade (2003, round 1, #5)
Gilbert Arenas (2001, round 2, #2)

Ray Allen (1996, round 1, #5)
Carmello Anthony (2003, round 1, #3)
Carlos Boozer (2002, round 2, #6)
Kobe Bryant (1996, round 1, #13)
Tim Duncan (1997, round 1, #1)
Kevin Garnett (1995, round 1, #5)
Josh Howard (2003, round 1, #29)
Allen Iverson (1996, round 1, #1)
Shawn Marion (1999, round 1, #9)
Tracy McGrady (1997, round 1, #9)
Steve Nash (1996, round 1, #15)
Dirk Nowitzki (1998, round 1, #9)
Mehmet Okur (2001, round 2, #9)
Tony Parker (2001, round 1, #28)
Amare Stoudamire (2002, round 1, #9)
Yao Ming (2002, round 1, #1)