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[Vecsey & ESPN REPORT] JVG Retiring

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Outlier, May 6, 2007.

  1. Amel

    Amel Contributing Member

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    thats great

    another sign that JVG is on his way out

    its plain and simple, JVG is a professional and this will be handled professionaly, no drama, no breakups/makeups, just a clean "JVG leaves the rockets: Pres Alexader did not want to extend contract!"
     
  2. Rocketmike

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    Who do you bring in?

    Who do you bring in?

    I understand the frustration with Gundy, really i do... but look at what he did this year. If you told me Yao and Tmac would miss 40 games combined, i would have put our over under at around 35 - 40 wins. I'm sick of the argument that we should be developing young talent. Unless its a bonafide superstar, who is going to take over for Tmac... why would you do that? Tmac has a few years left, as does Yao. Look at the players over 7'6, and look at Tmac's back. so my question would be, who exactly would you replace Gundy with? Its not like there are any legit top shelf coaches sitting around... Knicks part II? No thanks. Any young up and comers? I'm just curious who you would have replace him, because he's without a doubt at least an above average coach, i have him at somewhere in the top 1/3 to 1/4 at least to be honest... and I don't know that "THAT" guy is waiting to be hired.

    Mike
     
  3. doublebogey

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    Is that what Yao really said? If it is true, I have to tip my hats to Yao. YAO GETS BALLS.

    Unlike Tracy "the little gal, " He's the best coach I ever play for". LMAO! Tracy only played for Doc Rivers and Butch Carter. That's quite a endorsement.
     
  4. ooliverb1

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    Hindsight is always 20/20. Why Yao did not complain before the playoff starts? Why Yao did not speak out in the middle of the season to plea JVG to play more bench?
     
  5. YnMDynasty

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    It is the exact time to fire JVG!!!
     
  6. dream208

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    Are you sure it was really Yao saying that?
    The English used in this passage does not sound like Yao...

    For example:

    "Well, in lieu of Mike James, if Kirk Snyder had played, we might have come up with better results."

    Weird :confused:
     
  7. TjTj

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    This team is hopeless to play like this. Trade them all.
     
  8. vizier

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    i admire JVG for pulling a bunch of cr@p this far, look what we got:

    an shop-lift suspect
    a home robbery suspect
    a street baller
    a proven and cursed loser with a brokenback
    a stiff pole with a broken leg and toenails
    an undraft leftover
    a 50 yo grandpa
    a boneheaded idiot who cound't even grab the money drop on his head
     
  9. declan32001

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    Jeez, man get a grip (we're all in pain too). Centers historically enter their prime around 30. T-Mac has shown he has a complete game that will make him a valuable max player compared to the rest of any so-called max "under-achievers".

    JVG has a huge cult following here, but you know he really does have a system, right? He does run it still with little more variation than he did 8 years ago.
     
  10. bfunw

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    Are you kidding. How can anybody hurt the "chemistry" by complaining before the playoff starts? Especially everyone knew JVG won't change anyway.
     
  11. bfunw

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    Not weird. Somebody translated it from Chinese.
     
  12. akuma

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    you bring in Adelman.

    in 05-06 the Rockets' starters missed a total of 100+ games (with T-Mac missing 35 and Yao 25). even the key bench players: Wesley/Anderson (depending on who you consider to be the real starter), Stro, Deke and Barry, not even mentioning Sura, also missed 100+ games. yet the team still won 34 games although they could barely win even 5 games without T-Mac with or without Yao. which goes to show how great T-Mac really has been throughout his career. last year's team was basically the Houston Magic. for what it's worth, in 03-04, Adelman's Kings were without Webber for 59 games and when he came back he was nowhere near the player he used to be. they still won 55 games.

    so i don't give Gundy a whole lot of credit for the regular season's "success". T-Mac "only" missed 11 games this year, and Battier and Rafer (as bad as he is, he's the best excuse of a PG the Rockets have) missed none. also, when Yao went out, Deke actually played as well or even better overall than postseason Yao (against the Jazz) did.

    in the beginning of the season, assuming good health, i really thought the Rockets could win 60+ games easily. if Gundy had even an ounce of offensive creativity and played the young players (Snyder, Novak, VSpan) more and could manage egos better (Bonzi, and to a degree Snyder and even T-Mac and Yao), the Rockets could have even won 70+ against this now watered down league where even chumps like the Mavs and defenseless teams like the Suns could challenge for 70 wins. so in the short term, while it took a very painful early playoff exit to fire (not re-sign/release, whatever) Gundy, in the long term, as in the next 5 years, the Rockets now have a chance to become something truly great.
     
  13. enigmatic

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    I'm just wondering if you are wife of Jeff?

     
  14. Rockets64

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    I love Yao, but I have a problem with him saying this. "PLAY SNYDER"! That's basically what Yao said. I mean, that's even worse than ClutchFans. At least the knowledgeable posters here know how much Snyder sucks and why he didn't play. We gave him chances during the regular season and he continually failed.

    The fact that Snyder used to play in Utah is completely meaningless. I have no clue why Yao would say something like this. He says Snyder gives us "energy". We already have two guys that give us "energy" in Battier and Hayes.

    This team didn't get past the first round because we didn't have enough play-makers. We didn't have enough scorers. We lost ironically, because of one of those energy guys in Chuck Hayes. I love Chuck and hope we re-sign him, but there's no way in hell he should be starting. He's 6'6"! He has absolutely zero offensive capabilities besides the layups he gets from T-Mac. Does Yao even realize that if we had a big, lanky PF who could defend and rebound well, he wouldn't have to deal with Boozer himself?

    Yao Ming... you are not a coach... you are not a scout.

    This is the same guy that said V-Span is the next Steve Nash.
     
  15. BEXCELANT

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    ok, you guys want to see the whole Titan interview courtesy of Prueyen translating. Here it is.

    TITAN: Are you okay now? Can you endure (such a blow)?

    Yao Ming: (Heaved a long gasp of breath) Am I okay? No, I'm not okay.....To finish (this season) like this ! To finish (this season) like this ! To finish (this season) like this !

    TITAN: What was the first thing that came to mind that you wanted to say at the end of the game?

    Yao Ming: We have wasted a full season....We have wasted a full season.....

    TITAN: Are you still recollecting scenes of Game 7?

    Yao Ming: I just hate myself. Those 3 defensive rebounds at the end of the game. I could not grab those 3 crucial defensive rebounds. If I could grab only one of them, everything could have been different. Those were rebounds that I should have grabbed.

    TITAN: For players to lose such a game like today, it could possibly take a long time for them to get out of its shadow.

    Yao Ming: I don't have that much long time. I know where I have lost this game. I will undergo a surgery in next week. My left toe had been stepped on badly again. This time, it will be a more thorough surgery to clean it up such that the nail won't grow back again. 3 weeks from now, I will be allowed to start my rehabilitation training, and I will immediately start my rehabilitation training. I will need to recover my lost speed during this summer. Since I came back from the previous injury, my speed was never like what I had in the beginning of this season. You should all realize that in today's competition, speed determines everything. Without speed, you ain't got nothing. This is my top priority item to attain for this summer.

    TITAN: What is the difference between this Game 7 with that Game 7 loss to Dallas Mavericks 2 years ago?

    Yao Ming: Two years ago, we died a happy death, as very early into the game, we knew already we were no match for the Mavericks. So it was game over very soon. This time round, it is on our home court; we fought to the very end, but we were tortured to death.

    TITAN: How is your right knee ?

    Yao Ming: Luckily it was hit by the small point guard (Deron Williams); I was hit on exactly the same position as my previous injury. If I was hit by someone else, like Chuck Hayes, then I think it will break again.

    TITAN: Why did you played that poor in the first half?

    Yao Ming: Because I was under very high pressure. I did not sleep well last night; I woke up several times and fell back again to sleep throughout the night. My eyes were all red when I woke up this morning. After the team practice in the morning, I could not sleep well again in my afternoon nap. Therefore I could not find my rhythm and shooting touch for the first half. During the half time break, I just sat there on the bench and closed my eyes for a nap, with my mind thinking on what changes I need to adjust for second half. At the start of the second half, I saw Hakeem Olajuwon sitting at the courtside. I felt excited and motivated when I saw him, and that was why I scored 21 points in the second half.

    TITAN: Where was the turning point for this game ?

    Yao Ming: (I think) We were leading by 5 points (88 vs 83) when I was forced to rest, receiving my 5th personal foul. When I came back on court, we were behind by 3 points. Nobody would have thought Andrei Kirilenko could hit that 3 pointer to tie the game (88 vs 88 ). Throughout this series, in the past 6 game, Andrei Kirilenko did not manage to hit any 3-pointer.

    TITAN: How do you weigh your function/contribution, if purely based on this Game 7?

    Yao Ming: When I was playing poorly, it was Tracy McGrady that shouldered and persisted with the team. After I readjusted my conditions, I led the comeback of this team in the second half.....but I failed to grab those last 3 defensive rebounds....I let this game slip out of my own hands.

    TITAN: You have become the target of Utah Jazz's offense throughout this series, and you have never managed to resolve it.

    Yao Ming: Well the game plan/set plays of Utah Jazz seemed to have owned us. I am not shrinking from my responsibility. You must listen carefully: I am not going to shrink from my responsibility. In this team, the player that played the longest minutes, that scored the highest points, and had the highest turnovers, should be the one to take the blame for the loss. I knew where my responsibility is. I don't need other excuses. That is exactly why I need to recover my speed.

    But if you just talk about defense, any other centre will find it difficult to fit into our team. In Utah Jazz, every of their players in any position can play in offense; specifically every of their exterior player can play in low post, and their interior player can pull out to the exterior/perimeter. The most obvious one was Carlos Boozer. When I guarded him (under the low post), he would pull out to shoot; when we switched another player to guard him, he would then cut it back into the paint/low post to attack. And Andrei Krilenko, Matt Harping, Gordan Giricek, they all can attack in the paint/low post. But for us, we have only Tracy and Shane that can switch from the exterior into the interior on defense. I need to play at my best capability guarding Carlos Boozer, and moreover, I had to move over on help defense to mend our loopholes in defense.

    TITAN: I heard that old Del Harris called you before this game.

    Yao Ming: Right. He told me that the Golden States Warriors just left and ignored their centre, and just sent 2 players dedicated on swarming and chasing Dirk Nowitzki all over the court. I told him that for Utah Jazz, they did exactly the same thing; they just ignored Chuck Hayes, and played rough and tough on me.

    TITAN: If you looked back on this whole playoff series, where do you think the Rockets lost this series ?

    Yao Ming: We lost on our offense. Our offense was too uni-dimensional. In most of our offense, our team relied on me or Tracy to play one-on-one and to attract double-team before we pass the ball. But in fact, we frequently could not connect with other team mates; this was particularly true when we dropped in our physical strength and efficiency. Carlos Boozer was the highest scorer on Utah Jazz. But he was actually not their focal point of offense. He is used as a decoy, always received passes in the elbow position, with his team mates cutting into the paint to seek scoring opportunities. At such time, I just could not be able to attend to one thing without losing track of another thing in the defense, (and therefore lost my target). We just did not have integrity in offense like the Utah Jazz.

    TITAN: Compared with Utah Jazz, what has gone wrong with your bench?

    Yao Ming: At the beginning of the season, everybody said we have a deep bench. But the further we played into the season, our bench had become thinner and thinner. Vassalis Spanoulis and Steve Novak were not given chance to play because they were rookies. Bonzi Wells was abandoned and I am certainly not at all surprised, because he and the head coach were having personality clashes. But later in the series, Kirk Snyder was also dropped, and this I just could not comprehend. Each NBA team needs to have an energy player, who just plays with energy and hustle once sent on court. We need such an energy player, playing against Utah Jazz. Moreover, (I think) this also conforms to the style of our head coach. Kirk Snyder is also very familiar with the (play style of) Utah Jazz. I just could not understand why he (Jeff Van Gundy) did not use Snyder. In this playoff series, if we have an energy player like Mike James, we definitely will have won the series. Well, in lieu of Mike James, if Kirk Snyder had played, we might have come up with better results.

    TITAN: These 2 things that you mentioned above are directly related to Jeff Van Gundy. Failing to get out of Round 1, Jeff Van Gundy will definitely have to leave.

    Yao Ming: This I knew too. But not touching on other things, for all these years, if not for Jeff's stern and harsh supervision, I would not have become what I am now. I know what big role he had been to me. I also beleive, even if he is to leave Houston, he will be able to find a new job elsewhere; or at most, he will take one year off to rest.

    TITAN: If Jeff Van Gundy is to leave, what is the most immediate issue facing you?

    Yao Ming: Well, I may end up with no one coaching me in my techniques this summer. Tom Thibodeau aspires to become a head coach. He may take up a new position, or he will leave together with Jeff Van Gundy, and could not work with me again. He had been playing a major role and was of great help and contribution on my offense skills over these years, and in particular, my left hand. But he (Tom Thibodeau) is the most important and key person in Jeff Van Gundy's coaching staff team.

    TITAN: How then do you manage?

    Yao Ming: I can ask CD (Carroll Dawson) to help me in my practice. During Jeff's tenure, he did not allow CD to help me on my practice. Now if he is out, then maybe CD will be allowed to help me on my practice. But the question of CD is that he is too old. Bill Duffy (Yao Ming's US agent/manager) had introduced me to another coach. That big white guy of Portland Trailblazers (Joel Przybilla) was coached by this coach. He will be mainly responsible to train me in defense and rebounding. Like this, he and CD will supplement each and other.

    TITAN: From the perspective of the entire season.......

    Yao Ming: I have never ever thought of such ending; so let's stop.....the season has finished.

    TITAN: So you have arrived home ?

    Yao Ming: Right. I must now return to my bedroom, and take a good rest on my own bed. Definitely I will sleep more steadfastly than yesterday. Tomorrow when I wake up in the morning, it is highly possible that I am still asking myself: "Is Game 7 really over ?"

    So in only 20 minutes, Yao Ming had arrived home....his new home. He is no longer living in Windsor Lake & Park, which normally would take an hour's drive from Toyota Centre. Yao Ming's new home is closer to the downtown, and is much larger than the old one.

    A bigger advantage (for his new home) is that it is much faster now for Yao Ming to get away form the centre of the dreadful storm (of the Houston Rockets failing to advance into Round 2), to take asylum in his new home.
     
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    This is the part of the interview tht stands out the most for me.

    He never FULLY recovered from the knee injury and was playing with a bad toe again.

    Plus, with his comment about how his knee would have been injured again if Hayes would have it it rather than Deron Williams, it seems he hasn't gotten over the knee issue mentally yet. To me, it would explain his blocks decreasing at the end of the year has subconsiously he is worrying about the knee getting hit again.

    Good to hear he is going to get the toe fixed for good.

    For all the bashing Yao has gotten the last couple of days, you have to at least give him credit for being a guy that is always looking to improve and puts in the work. He may be the THE hardest and most tireless worker in the league.
     
  17. Jeff

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    That's pretty surprising to me considering CD taught Dream all his moves. I wonder if JVG was against Hakeem teaching him as well.
     
  18. hooroo

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    Yep, all the more reason for JVg to go. Too bad it's going to be another frustrating under JVG season coming up. [​IMG]
     
  19. IROC it

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    Gundy Must Go
     
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    from : http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/4783677.html
     

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