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Van Gundy was BADLY outcoached tonite

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hank McDowell, Apr 26, 2007.

  1. Nice Rollin

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    lol......you're joking right?
     
  2. Panda

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    If a coach isn't responsible for the offense, then he should just be a defensive assistant coach.
     
  3. Nice Rollin

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    did you watch the game? we got the shots we wanted. juwan wide open 12-15 footers. luther head-wide open three. battier wide open in the corner...yao got his shots...what more can jvg do? put in tskalidas and spanoulis?

    i agree. he shouldve gave snyder minutes, but outside of that option he really doesnt have any. these guys got us to the position we're in now. why go away from it?
     
  4. Yaozer

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    If Tmac made his shots he would've played a great game. :rolleyes:

    point is.. the Rockets played horrible and there are a lot of holes to fill for Saturday's game. Let's put this dream-shattering loss behind and look forward to that Rockets win Saturday.

    At least the Rockets could still keep it somewhat a close game until midway through the 3rd while they were playing their worse ball of the year. Once they start getting it on come Saturday, we'll all forget about this game.

    And I JVG did not get outcoached. His players just got outplayed and outhustled.
     
  5. Nice Rollin

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    oh yeah

    boxing out and securing rebounds....

    thats gotta be JVG's fault!
     
  6. thiuronium

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    You can let Vspan drive to the hole. Head just can't do that. The Jazz has to use a quick player to guard Tmac, they don't have another one quick enough to guard Vspan.

    If Vspan doesn't pass, he won't turn the ball over that much!. His turnovers sometimes are good passes.
     
  7. thiuronium

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    The passes from Vspan to Yao are way better than those from Head.
     
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    Alright, here's a short and simple answer:


    THIS IS THE PLAYOFFS.
     
  9. declan32001

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    I will say this: I don't think we could've won this game no matter what JVG did.

    However having only 4 players score in a game is an absolutely mind-numbing achievement. The national press (once they fully digest this) is going to skewer this franchise and, yes JVG will look like and sound like a freak-show when all is said and done.

    I'm still confident we'll win this series, but I firmly believe this was a performance that Les will not be able to stomach. Unreal.
     
  10. rocketsmetalspd

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    This game was close and if the Rockets bench would've showed up tonight they Rockets could have won. I can not fault JVG if its the players that can't hit the shots and turn the ball over like it was a pre season game. I for one can't wait till Saturday and see what kind of pride this team has because tonight they were the laughing stock of the NBA.
     
  11. Panda

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    When your shots don't fall, get your a$$ closer to the basket. When long jumpers don't fall, it's coaches' job to get closer shots by playing the right plays and right players. You don't wait until the playoffs to get the player or the plays that can cope with various situations, including when the damn long jumpers don't fall.

    Isn't it JVG's job to prepare against all situations, including cold shooting from outside?

    What's JVG plan when players have cold outside shooting, repeating the same thing and expect different results? Geez, if that's the case, why don't we lower JVG to a defensive assistant coach, and make a tape recorder repeating the same thing as our offensive assistant coach?
     
  12. Panda

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    It's JVG's job to make choices and use choices wisely, not the players'.
     
  13. Yaozer

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    It's all Scotty Quitten's fault!
     
  14. ShadyMcGrady

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    That is true but it's not as easy as you say that if you're jumpshots aren't falling, get to the rim. Most of our players aren't good enough to do that because the Jazz defense was geared to shutting them down that way.

    Also, the only player good enough to do that (T-Mac) WON'T!!! :(

    It's pretty sad. You can't just change your gameplan mid-game especially without the personel to do so. JVG got the team the shots they wanted/needed it's just up to them to make them or not.

    Whether we win or lose game 4, I just want to see how this team responds.

    Because if this team repsonds properly, and plays better, they shouldn't lose the game.
     
  15. Panda

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    When we can't hit from outside, open jumpers are not shots we want.

    When our outside shots don't fall, we need plans to cope with it.

    From your post, I gather that we have no plans when our outside shots don't fall.

    You said exactly what I was saying, you don't wait until playoffs or the middle of a game to have the plans or change the plans. You do it in the offseason and regular season, getting the personel and plays. Now what Jeff has been doing all this time?

    Two years ago, it's the biggest blowout in game 7 in history, today, it's the least player scored in the playoffs. Different players, same coach, sinking to new low.

    The Rockets are far from being Titanic in the NBA, yet with the same Achilles heels of not having enough life boats. When the designer is getting too confident of his initial design, there's no backup plan. You can blame the crews for sinking Titanic, but not for not having life boats.

    I still think we can win this series, but the title? It doesn't look too bright right now.
     
  16. McGradySNKT

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    That's sig material.
     
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    a COACH gets his players ready for the PLAYOFFS
    :rolleyes:
     
  18. ferrarif1286

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    bench outscored 33 - 0 nvr heard anything like that since watching basketball
     
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    that's the key point, if the title is still our final destination, let JVG go, he's just not the right option for the Rockets. Have you ever seen a championship team with short bench?
     
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    For all of you who argued against this thread, tell me on a game like this can you use VSpan and Snyder' penetrations to hole? I guaranteed you they could do no worse than Rafer and Luther!

    Can you use Novak even for just 5-10 mins? I guaranteed you he could shoot no worse than Juwan!

    Truth of the matter is Gundy never tried to develop our bench, don't sell the bench short, they do have talents, but it is extremely hard to showcase that talent and help your team when your ass is nailed to that pine.

    We have seen that movie before!
     

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