Round 1: Dallas Mavericks vs Golden State Warriors

a lot whining in this thread about the officials. when did this become a Utah Jazz forum?

 

My problem with the calls were the ridiculous technical fouls in the 3rd quarter. Baron Davis may, mind you MAY, have deserved one in real time tho in replay it looked as if he was trying to stop any altercation. However, Jackson definitely did not, as he was OBVIOUSLY attempting to stop anything from happening. He had his arms spread out holding off any other teammates. How does this deserve a technical? Besides, the instigator, Diop, didn't get crap. That is absolutely terrible.

 

Too much one-on-one plays from GS players. I just don't see how they could possibly win a 7-game series over Mavs playing like this.

 

HELL NO! there's nothing about the Mavs or Spurs i would brag about.

 

no kidding. this would be like giant fans rooting for the dodgers. i freaking hate the mavs and i really, really dislike the spurs. i'm a houstonian first...i'm a texan somewhere after that.

 

can't believe people are whining about the refs. the Warriors were complaining too much and got taken out of their game. They played an immature game. Jackson didn't deserve a tech.

Baron, otoh, should have been kicked out of the game long ago. Complaining nonstop about every call, including his obvious fouls. Someone tell him he's not a rookie anymore...he needs to be the leader on this team if they want to have a shot.

And that wasn't an over the back on Dirk...he reached over the top of a smaller player like Yao does all the time.

I hope the Warriors rip up the Mavs...but they better stop looking at the refs and start playing better. (that call Baron got should have been his 3rd..or was it 4th..foul. Lucky they called a charge)

 

when did you become a jazz fan?

 

we're not complaining about the refs.. this is the NBA DISH forum for crying out loud.

we're just expressing our hate for the mavs and associated some of their success with referees' bs calls. this has NOTHING to do with the rockets.

 

umm...

 

i become one yesterday. yep, all of a sudden i just decided i didn't like the Rockets anymore.

 

i see.. good luck with that.

 

no way in hell I'd ever cheer for the mavs or spurs

 

I find it really funny that there are so many Rocket fans complaining about the refs and saying that Dallas won the game because of their FT attempts. Look at your game 2 with Utah...I seem to see a heck of alot more FT attempts for the Rockets compared to the Jazz. I guess it must be the refs there too.

 

Stats LIE. Its not about the disparity. Its about the calls during the course of the game. You wouldnt see it from the box score. The Rockets were actually getting shafted during the first half of the game in game 2.(and I am not pointing to the 11-4 FT disparity of the first half stats) Yes the Jazz foul a bit more than the Rockets over the course of the regular season. Yes the Jazz shoot more FTs over the course of the reg season. But in game 2 specifically, the Rockets were taking the ball to the basket. Much more than the Jazz. And as said, even by the Jazz, they will foul you to make you earn the points from the line. The Rockets will not be so aggresive to foul you first. They will keep their hands up and make it tougher for you to hit, without trying to foul you.

The Warriors were getting hosed in the third quarter, and I couldn't care less what the FT stats say about it. The Rockets overcame the bad calls in their game, mainly because they are a veteran team with much more composure than the Warriors. Had the Rockets lost their cool in the first half, they may have lost the game as well.

 

I think what made Baron mad is they allowed Dallas to manhandle him, and others followed that tactic. All Buckner would do is bang and grab, bang and grab. The refs should have cleaned that up right away. The Mavs got a lot more FTs despite the fact they were playing a lot more physical, borderline dirty. It was kinda like the old Sonics-Rockets dynamic, they actually let the more aggresive, more physical team, get called for less fouls because it looks "normal", and the team that responds always gets called because it looks out of character.

I am glad DWade got those calls last year because that is not clean defense to pull that, and the Mavs are now doing it to Davis. I hope in GS when they so much as touch Davis (hand check, bump, grab) they call it. If you can't stop the guy playing clean defense you don't deserve to stop him.

other tidbits--

Despite Jason Terry coming from here I really think someone needs to level his butt bad. I know he can play basketball, but he is my least likable former Wildcat.

Look forward to game 3--I think GS will be ready to play and we will really see what the Mavs are made of.

 

Well then if that is the case...the same needs to be done for Dirk. They defend him the same way...bump, grab, and poke. It's called Playoff basketball.

Thats why it was so amazing last year during the Finals....calls that would normally never get called, were given to Mr. NBA all series long.

 

dallas mavrefs are gonna b**** slap us in the 2nd round. van gundy gets an automatic tech for being bald

 

Dirk gets as many favorable calls as anyone. He gets more calls when he isn't even touched, and is in fact fading away. He is a fadeaway jumpshooter who got over 7FTs a game playing this way (this year), he has been at nearly 10FTPG this playoffs. In fact last years playoffs Dirk shot 10FT per game, what did Wade shoot? 10.9. Consider how much more Wade drives and takes contact you have to wonder why Dirk less than 1 more FT. And in the finals when Wade's FTs went up (like 16 vs Dallas), maybe the best explanation is Dallas started playing chippy defense like they did last night but got away with it (Detroit played Wade more strait up an he shot less than 9 FTs) but the refs called them on it.

Seems the same pattern. Wade is breaking you down form the perimeter, get chippy. Davis is breaking you down, get chippy. Tmac needs to understand they will try to do the same with him if they meet next series. Someone needs to make Terry and Dirk hurt bad if they keep this up--that is probably the only way the Mavs will back off.

 

Take the Maverick hater colored glasses off next time you try to break something down. While Dirk does fade away most the time..most of his calls come of the contact made while he is pump faking. If you ever watch Dallas play...thats how he gets contact on the calls. The defender always goes for his fakes...one of the best in the NBA at this. As far as this year...ever since the series with the Spurs...Dirk has added the drive to the basket to his game. He gets more and more calls taking it to the hole these days. This series, for whatever reason..he hasn't been doing that as much.

Mr. FT on the other hand is known league wide as getting all the calls. Please don't try to compare Wade and Dirk as far as getting calls their way. It's not even close. I'm sure most would agree.

 

Dirk gets more fouls called when he is stripped than any player I have seen.

Big men usually get stripped all the time with no call(Yao and Shaq the most prevalent) but Dirk(who is also a 7 footer) gets the call an awful lot. Not saying that Dirk's strips aren't fouls, but that other players(even smaller ones) get fouled while being stripped all the time and no call is made.


And getting the contact off a pumpfake is fine, thats part of the game and many veterans have that in their arsenal(T-Mac being one of the best). Anyone who has a problem with that call doesnt understand the rules. I believe one of Dirks trips to the line last night was a result of the fake, am I right?