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Last Ranger to see Pat Tillman alive says told to conceal info

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    What cover up? The one that included a Ranger being ordered not to disclose the real reason of death of Pat Tillman to his family.

    That is the very definition of a cover-up.
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    exactly how many weeks after his death was the real cause of his death disclosed?

    so before that time, when the wh said he died from battle they were lying or covered up something?
     
  3. Lobo

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    Read my posts above - a Lt. Colonel on the ground ordering a soldier not to discuss the death with Tillman's brother does not equal a cover up, nor did it interfere with the Army's official investigation and report indicating that it was friendly fire.
     
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    Try a month. And only after it was reported in several newspapers of how he really died.
    http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0327tillman-timeline.html
     
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    I found this wording odd: "In earlier testimony, Kevin Tillman accused the military of "intentional falsehoods" and "deliberate and careful misrepresentations" in portraying Pat Tillman's death in Afghanistan as the result of heroic engagement with the enemy instead of friendly fire."
     
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    I'm not intimately familiar with Army investigative processes, but it's reasonable to assume that they don't like to rush to judgement in cases like this, and prefer to complete an investigation before they release their findings, whether the soldier in question is a celebrity or not.

    In the meantime, was it unnatural for our leaders to comment on Tillman's death? Whether it was through enemy or friendly fire, his sacrifice is an incredible story, and it's only natural to hold him up as an example. What would you have done differently if you were in their shoes?
     
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    It certainly is a cover-up. If that was as far as it, it would have been a low-level one. Since it isn't known to what extent the cover-up involved others, there should be an investigation.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    They did rush to judgement. They rushed to an incorrect judgement, and publicized it.

    If I was in their shoes I would have told the family the truth.
     
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    To follow up on FB's point. That would make sense if they had said they weren't sure how Tillman died. They didn't do that but instead circulated a false story. That's worse than jumping to conclusions.
     
  11. jo mama

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    i believe that traderjorge/texx stated that pat tillman is "rolling over in his grave" over his family speaking out. :rolleyes:
     
  12. jo mama

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    they burned his uniform, which they werent supposed to do.
    they burned his personal effects, including his diary, where he wrote about how he felt iraq was an illegal and immoral war.
    early investigations declared that there was possible criminal misconduct or negligent homicide.
    4 generals and several other officers are currently under investigation.
    the military lied to his family for a month, even though they knew the truth from the begining.

    this is not standard operating procedure and indicates that it was a total cover-up. there is nothing to debate about it.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Yeah what could be the possible relevance of investigating the Administration's efforts to lie about the wars it starts? It's not like it's going to get anybody killed or nothing....
     
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    Is this leading to what I was joking semi-seriously to my wife today about. Perhaps it was not accidental friendly fire.

    Tillman was the deserved poster boy of the whole post 911 response. Turned out he was against the Iraq War subesquently.

    Could another Ranger or even someone up, perhaps way way up killed him or ordered him killed?

    I don't usually try to think about such stuff as there is enough out in the open stuff like Tony Blair talking about joining the Carlysle board or whatever to concern ourselves with. Not to mention Halliburton war profiteering, no National Helath Care, high FICA taxes, while trying consciously to bankrupt the sytem to benefit heavy contributors like Fidelity investments and thier ilk etc.
     
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    You make jokes about our troops killing each other? I wish I could say that I'm surprised...
     
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    bush put tillman in the spotlight when he politicized his death. you have a selective memory problem
     
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    well our own president has deliberately put american troops in harms way..
     
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    And made jokes about not finding WMDs while troops were dying.

    Oops!
     
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